Polarized training

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Oct 2014
9:06am, 22 Oct 2014
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Rosehip
me neither UC - I find just a few minutes high intensity makes me much more tired the next day than a lovely long slow trail run too. I might start with one a fortnight. Plan is lowly coming together, going to target Cambridge half, seeing as I've actually entered that and everything else is just on a wish list
SPR
Oct 2014
9:47am, 22 Oct 2014
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SPR
Regular training at velocities well above vMarathon seems to characterize top- class marathoners. Portuguese marathoner Carlos Lopes (2h 7min 11s in 1985) performed two speed workouts per week, 15 x 400m at v3000m and 6 x 2000m at v10,000m, almost all of the year with a high weekly total distance (200 to 240km).

That's from this: billat.net

So from the training of elite runners, you have session that will take around a minute per rep (15 x 400m)

I've used the aerobic intervals from Pirie's book in the past and they are a max of 400m, and typically 100m/200m.

In training schedules by Renato Canova, there is are 1 min and 2 min intervals.

All of this says, you don't need long intervals for this.

The other thing is, you don't need to be at your limit, although I can understand that if you're used to marathon pace, 3km/ 5km/ 10km pace may feel like your limit.
Oct 2014
2:14pm, 22 Oct 2014
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Ultracat
Sounds good SPR. I will probably do 300m with 300m recovery, with the 300m rep. done in around 90seconds to start with. As I am recovering from a marathon done on Sunday, probably wise to wait a few weeks. Does hill work count towards a harder session?
SPR
Oct 2014
3:07pm, 22 Oct 2014
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SPR
Providing the workout is structured well, I don't see why not. What type of session will you be doing?

I do sprint reps on hills sometimes instead of the flat for the strength benefit, but I've never done aerobic intervals as hill work.
Oct 2014
3:10pm, 22 Oct 2014
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Chrisull
This the problem I have "the presentation above talks about athletes walking to make sure they stay below their max level" , I'd be walking massive amounts of every run, because the amount of hills round here! I know the HADD program also advocates similar, but there must be an alternative surely?
SPR
Oct 2014
3:22pm, 22 Oct 2014
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SPR
Chris, do your hills really mean you'd go into the lactic zone if you don't walk?

I'm not a fan of walking unless running would result in you feeling like you're racing. I don't encounter any hills that would make me feel like this, and I'm not worried by my HR rising a little as I'd still be in running aerobic zone, and I like the conditioning benefits of running uphill.
Oct 2014
3:35pm, 22 Oct 2014
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Gobi
These days I do about 90% possible more easy/steady.

Speedwork what limited I do running is pretty much hard intervals.

Have run 16.45 for 5km this year off it

I have Read Pirie and Lydiard and am a big fan of variable pace and pure speedwork
Oct 2014
4:20pm, 22 Oct 2014
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Chrisull
Not quite, but certainly way over 80% HR, often flattening out close to 90%... so ok a few spikes on steep hills are fine.
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4:24pm, 22 Oct 2014
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Gobi
no hills on a track SPR :¬)
SPR
Oct 2014
4:46pm, 22 Oct 2014
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SPR
I don't have a track anymore :-(. The university tore it up in March as part of their development program. It is supposed to return at some point but not sure when (certainly not for next summer).

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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