Polarized training

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Jun 2023
5:22pm, 12 Jun 2023
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Bowman 🇸🇪
HR people, I have been thinking a bit lately.
Shall I continue below my hr threshold I use to have, in moderate temperatures, to call it an easy run now when it’s warm outside.
Or should I adapt to a bit higher HR due to the heat, and run to pace?

I mean I think I started to keep hr down to keep the strain on the muscles and tendons and so on down, to be able to do more training, not keeping the hr down per se.

So in that case I could let the HR go up a bit during the hotter period, as long as I stay at the easy pace? If it’s an easy run I want to do?

Any thoughts?
Jun 2023
5:38pm, 12 Jun 2023
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Big_G
My thoughts on this have been to stick to the HR, as that is the correct effort regardless of the pace. If your body is working harder to keep cool, then the pace will be slower, and that’s fine. The pace is whatever it is, but you know that when it cools down you’ll get a bounce in pace, and whilst it’s hotter you’re still getting the correct training benefit. Others may have a different view, but that’s been mine.

If you’re worrying about pace and don’t like seeing it slower whilst running, I turn pace off on my watch and just have HR and distance (some people have HR and time, or even just HR), and turn off distance notifications. Point being, the pace is irrelevant when actually on the run, so I don’t have it displayed.
Jun 2023
5:56pm, 12 Jun 2023
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Bowman 🇸🇪
Yes ok Big_G, thanks!
Well it’s not that I can’t stand the lower pace, it’s fine, but I have actually started to notice that I get more niggles in lower pace than usual.
I think it’s because I don’t engage muscles and or tendons properly.
If I step it up a bit, in the in between HR area but normal easy pace for me, then it feels good again.
But I guess it’s just a thing to get use to again.
And to get some context to what effort levels I mean.
I have my easy threshold up to maximum 144bpm or 73% MHR, but usually rather below 140 for the best easy runs, around 70% MHR.
SPR
Jun 2023
6:12pm, 12 Jun 2023
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SPR
I've seen Steve Magness say he would ignore HR

as it's no longer measuring what you're trying to track. He wouldn't run to pace either though, he'd run to feel.

Original tweet: twitter.com

Posting this thread reply (scroll up and down and possibly click through to quoted tweets) as it adds context: twitter.com

Feel seems sensible to me TBH but I do that anyway.

I guess the question is whether the heat distortion in UK/ Netherlands is worth a change for runners that run to HR.
Jun 2023
6:24pm, 12 Jun 2023
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Big_G
Thanks SPR. I guess we’re all different. For me, when I’m running well, I find getting decent miles in over the summer the key thing, and not worrying about pace on my normal runs, and train to HR. If I up the effort levels to keep to a pace, I think my mileage would possibly drop a bit or I’d feel too tired to do the mileage I’d want. But that’s just for me and we’re all different. Maybe if I kept to a pace and ignored HR I’d end up with extra benefit, but I don’t think so (for me).
SPR
Jun 2023
6:27pm, 12 Jun 2023
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SPR
Big_G running to feel would in many cases lead to higher HR but lower pace. It would feel harder to sustain pace in hotter conditions so it should slow.
SPR
Jun 2023
6:30pm, 12 Jun 2023
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SPR
I don't think there's anything wrong with maintaining HR though. In UK conditions, I imagine it's not a huge adjustment on all but the hottest days.
Jun 2023
6:34pm, 12 Jun 2023
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Bowman 🇸🇪
I’m not way off with my thoughts then, interesting, thanks SPR!
I might do a few feel runs :)
Jun 2023
9:55am, 13 Jun 2023
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Canute
Training aims to achieve several different changes in your body. Increasing the effectiveness of heart function is only one of them, so HR is not the only measure of whether or not you are achieving desired physiological changes. Therefore, I do not regard HR as the only indicator of training load. However, it is also necessary to ensure that you do not produce too much overall stress on your body, as this will lead to excessive cortisol release. I think that excess stress can be counteracted by ensuring adequate recovery from a training session. I therefore regard it as important to limit overall stress during the 24 hour period, especially if you are finding it difficult to sleep at night, during hot weather. ‘Feel’ is a good guide.
J2R
Jun 2023
10:08am, 13 Jun 2023
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J2R
What I sometimes do in hot weather is maintain the pace but take short walk breaks every few minutes, to stop HR rising up too much for the session as a whole.

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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