Polarized training

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Dec 2023
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Canute
Nellers,
That is an interesting question.

I think that some of the benefits of polarised training are sport specific.

I consider that one of the major benefits of a lot of low intensity running is building up resilience of relevant connective tissues in the legs (which is more relevant to running than cycling or rowing), and also enhancing capillary supply in leg muscles (which is specific to sports using the same muscles).

Polarised training minimises threshold training. I think this might be beneficial because threshold running generate stress on the legs out of proportion to the benefit. This does not apply as much to cycling or rowing.

However much of the evidence for the polarised training (e.g. evidence quoted by Seiler) came from observations of langlauf skiers and some of the evidence from rowers, so I think that polarized training has some benefits for multiple endurance sports.

In the general population, exercise which most athletes would regard as low intensity, is associated with improved longevity, including improved cardiac health. This suggests that the low intensity component of polarised training has substantial cardiac benefit, and perhaps also beneficial effects on the immune system, which are not sport specific.
jda
Dec 2023
5:48pm, 14 Dec 2023
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jda
It will have muscle-specific benefits but most of the major muscle groups will be worked by all the normal sports so there will be transfer there, though probably not to the full extent that would be realised by sport-specific training. It’s well known that a diet of pure cycling does not generally create a strong runner, for example. But I remember seeing that one of the worlds top speed skaters did a lot of his volume training on a (stationary) bike.

There will also be more general cardiovascular benefits which will also transfer.
J2R
Dec 2023
6:01pm, 14 Dec 2023
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jda, are you thinking of Nils van der Poel? He did a very large amount of his training as cycle rides (I'm pretty sure they were real rides out on the road though). All documented, fascinatingly - and very relevantly for this thread - here: howtoskate.se

Canute, I understand that something Seiler has observed is serious Norwegian cross-country skiers turning up at running races and winning, against the dedicated runners. Definitely a big cross-over there.
Dec 2023
6:02pm, 14 Dec 2023
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Nellers
Thanks folks

So being a bit more specific about what I'm trying to work out:

My main "competitive" (define that as you will) drive in the next year or so is indoor rowing, looking to improve my 2km time. That's about a 7 minute effort so, I guess, roughly equivalent to a track mile in terms of endurance and energy systems.

The rowing-specific advice is coming around to the benefit of a large volume of low intensity work with a limited amount of threshold stuff, then speedwork for maybe 6-8 weeks prior to competition. Seems pretty straight forward and matches well with what's discussed on here for running.

However, my situation is that although I'm not competitive as a runner or cyclist, I do love running and cycling and don't want to stop doing either, which I'd probably have to do to fit in the volumes of rowing that would be optimal. OK, maybe not give up running/cycling but cut back on the number of runs each week. Cycling is more a summer thing anyway for me.

So I'm wondering how much crossover there would be from low intensity running and cycling to rowing, not really between running and cycling, or even from rowing to running.

From what I've done since March, combining all three along with some weights and general conditioning, I've got the lowest resting HR I've had for years so there's certainly a lot of central CV benefit to what I'm doing. I'm just not sure how much that really helps relative to just doing a lot of rowing.

I'm not really target audience for rowing coaches on youtube so this just isn't being covered or addressed as far as I can find.
Dec 2023
6:04pm, 14 Dec 2023
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Nellers
In simple terms how sub-optimal will it be to swap out some low intensity rowing for some low intensity running and/or cycling each week? Rowing is primarily about VO2 max and strength endurance in the posterior chain, plus technique obviously. I'm only really going to be hitting one of those three elements without getting on the rower.
jda
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6:27pm, 14 Dec 2023
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Yes J2R I see it looks like I invented the stationary aspect of the bike. I think I just assumed with his watt targets he must have been on a trainer as I didn't imagine it would be easy to do that sort of thing on the road, especially in Sweden...
Dec 2023
8:03pm, 14 Dec 2023
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Canute
I would expect that including some running (or cycling) in your routine would help the rowing, largely via enhancing cardiac function. Nonetheless, increased capilliary density and mitochondria in calves, thighs and glutes from low intensity running will probably also contribute to the strength endurance required for 7 minutes of rowing. Low intensity training can produce the the strength endruance required for events lasting a few minutes.

Peter Snell won Olympic gold at 800m and 1500m after a relatively short period of high intensity track training following low intensity base building.

Perhaps you could include runningas an adjunct to rowing in the way that runners include cross training as an adjunct to their running. Some variety is usually worthwhile, both from the physiological and mental perpectives. But make sure you build up the running gradually as you don't want to injure yourself during your cross training.
jda
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8:26pm, 14 Dec 2023
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jda
There's very big overlap between rowing and cycling, some notable athletes have competed at a high level in both. Running a bit less but that's possibly to do with the body type needed to compete at the highest level rather than the exercise being too dissimilar. I wouldn't think you would lose out much from having a bit of variety and your back might thank you for it!
Dec 2023
8:49pm, 14 Dec 2023
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Nellers
That's always an element of the equation these days, JDA. Ideally (for rowing performance) I'd be rowing maybe 8-10 sessions per week and only doing some strength work outside that.

Apart from the mental grind I don't think my back would take that these days (not that it ever really did).

At the moment it's 4 rows, 3 runs and 1 or 2 bike sessions plus strength and mobility stuff. I'm intending to go up to 5 rows, maybe 6 if I cope with that OK, but the extra will all be UT2/Low intensity stuff. Running might drop to 2 per week but I'd rather hold at 3 as it is my first love, exercise-wise.

So I'll be doing plenty of training but it's going to be significantly less specific than would be optimal for performance, but it's more optimal for my mental and physical health long term.

A lot of top-end rowers do a fair bit of cycling in the off-season and it does seem to have significant cross-over so that's a good point. Less running amongst rowers generally because the really good rowers are generally well over 6 foot and well over 15 stone so it's quite a job to get a decent 5k time for them! Also injury risk is a consideration.
J2R
Dec 2023
10:24pm, 14 Dec 2023
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jda, actually I imagine Sweden wouldn't be a bad place at all to cycle. A lot of it isn't that hilly, more gently rolling, with good road surfaces and a very low population density so relatively little traffic on the roads. Wouldn't want to do it in winter, though!

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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