Polarized training

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Feb 2023
2:00pm, 28 Feb 2023
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tipsku
I agree, breathing, HR and RPE are pretty good measures for serious recreational athletes. I don't necessarily need to know my lactate. I know from 10+ years of experience that a 3/3 breathing pattern is ideal for marathon pace. If I'm switching to 2/3 or 2/2, I'm working too hard in a MP session but that would be acceptable for 10k to HM pace.
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2:08pm, 28 Feb 2023
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Brunski
The double threshold days that the Ingerbritsen's/Norwegian's do seemed all the rage on the running YouTube channels last year. BenIsRunning and the FODrunner both did blocks of it.

Stephen Scullion keeps taking his lactate levels during workouts, and seems to aim for similar levels, and saw Jake Wightman also had a kit out on one of his videos.

I'm pretty sure an approximation of the level works too. If you're completing your set at consistent paces, with decent recoveries, and finish feeling you could complete a couple more of you had to you're probably at about the right levels.
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2:41pm, 28 Feb 2023
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Gobi
Brunski we often use double hard days while triathlon/duathlon training. Multisporters have for years. I think it is why Polarized training appeals as we need the easy days to be easy to recover.
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3:41pm, 28 Feb 2023
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Brunski
Yeah Gobi I've read loads on the balance of hard/easy days, sure I even read of gets getting success by 3 hard days in a row followed by easy days.

The parkrun/long run weekend combo seems a popular one these days too.

I ran a decent paced 18 miles on Sunday AM followed by a 12x400m last night, it gave me just enough time to recover, still feel something in the legs but not tight, and then judged the intervals well to complete the set feeling strong.

Very easy run today, and probably equally easy tomorrow, may mean I can do a light session on Thursday.
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Brunski
*Vets not gets 😂
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Gobi
Did all sorts of weird shit when the mileage was high. Fun was had.
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Gobi
I'm currently in the alps trying my best to climb lots while doing as little work as possible, reminds me a bit of ultra distance training , amazing how tired you get after 4hrs in Z1/2
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GlennR
I bet.
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Canute
Gobi, I hope you are enjoying it. Are you getting adequate sleep?
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Gobi
Relative statement , I'm sleeping as much as normal with no alarm set. 6.5hrs last night which is a lot for me

About This Thread

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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