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Polarized training

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Bowman 🇸🇪
I made a feature request for the possibility to have hr zones instead of pace zones on the yearly infographic
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Dec 2022
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Steve NordRunner
I like that. Here it is fetcheveryone.com/featurevoting?sort=id&keyword=1538
Dec 2022
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Bowman 🇸🇪
Thanks Steve!
Feb 2023
12:22pm, 28 Feb 2023
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Chrisull
Saw this interesting article, by Alex Hutchinson on the "Norwegian Method" and how it works on top of polarized training:

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Feb 2023
12:45pm, 28 Feb 2023
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Canute
Thanks, that article by Alex Hutchinson is interesting.
As I understand it, the reason for minimising threshold sessions in a polarised approach is the need for long recovery after a sustained threshold session. It is interesting that the threshold intervals in the Norwegian method aim to keep lactate below 3 mmol, thereby allowing more rapid recovery.
SPR
Feb 2023
1:21pm, 28 Feb 2023
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SPR
I like how the article says nothing is new as others have done interval methods previously (Igloi mentioned in the article for example), although they didn't necessarily gain mainstream awareness. The new bit to me here is the specific measurement of lactate.

What they're doing sounds like what the Easy Interval Method tries to do but that doesn't like easy running at all.

Wonder if HR + PEL are good enough proxies for lactate measurement?
jda
Feb 2023
1:35pm, 28 Feb 2023
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jda
The workouts look fairly similar to the sort of thing I do, albeit at a much lower volume. I'm not measuring my lactate but am pretty confident it's staying quite low, I just don't have the power or speed to do myself any real damage:-)
Feb 2023
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tipsku
I've extended my running at marathon and HM pace by doing intervals, e.g. 3:30/0:30 for Sunday's HM at marathon pace. HR is coming down by 3-5 BPM during the 30 seconds easier where I drop about a minute per mile in pace. I recover more quickly when I do that. 16.5 miles with 13 miles at MP would do quite some damage if I tried to run them continuously. Today, 2 days later, I'm in good shape to do some strides.

I'll try another lactate shuttle run tomorrow where I'm going to cycle between MP, HMP and 10k pace.
SPR
Feb 2023
1:52pm, 28 Feb 2023
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SPR
I've done 8 x 1000, 800 easy recovery today which is an easy interval session. Provided I resist the temptation to run 'fast' (which was easy today after a progressive run and weights yesterday), then I can see how another session later would work later. I could certainly do 10 x 400 this evening I think knowing I had an easy day tomorrow. Certainly something I might consider next Winter. I might have been tempted today but my right foot needs some recovery from a twist at the National XC on Saturday (I've gone over on my ankle playing spot so much that it's my foot that suffers these days rather than lateral ankle ligaments).
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1:53pm, 28 Feb 2023
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Canute
This approach is similar to several ‘easy’ interval’ methods (eg Verheul) and has some resemblance to Zatopek’s famous sessions that are sometimes described as ‘cruise intervals’. I do not think lactate measure is likely to be crucial, even for ‘serious' recreational athletes, but is perhaps worthwhile at elite level. Experience of the urge to breathe is likely to be the most accessible direct sensation of blood acidity, but HR + perceived effort can be measured more reliably. I rely on the sensation of breathing, but I am not aiming for optimum training benefit. My aim is to produce enjoyably effortful running without too much wear and tear on my body.

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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