Polarized training
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May 2022
12:51pm, 25 May 2022
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Goofee
My run from this morning, 97% in the lovely green bit and just 3% in the naughty zone, but it was quite a steep, gnarly hill! ![]() |
May 2022
1:03pm, 25 May 2022
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Bowman 🇸🇪
Yes it’s great to be able to set it as you please Fetch, and I’m going to polarize my training even more for a while now, looking forward to get some noticeable result like you Ian.
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May 2022
3:52pm, 25 May 2022
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MudMeanderer
I'd be interested in the experience of any multisport types. I reasonably successfully used a polarised approach when running. However on the bike I've found it considerably less useful. I'll do hours at endurance or tempo without HR drift or particularly feeling tired. I'll manage reasonable anaerobic efforts (WKO is profiling me as a pursuiter currently!). However if I don't do a considerable amount of time at sweetspot (i.e. the middle ground), I find my ability around threshold is significantly diminished - my legs won't push despite my HR not rising. It feels there is a muscular endurance aspect that isn't hit by polarised training, compared to pyramidal. Maybe if you have WT rider availability, but I'm not sure I can do much beyond my current 12hrs a week. It feels polarised gives a strong CV system but not great for musculature. Do any other riders have this perception? |
May 2022
4:11pm, 25 May 2022
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SPR
The middle ground is threshold in the original polarised and was 10%. I don't know whether the 80/20 'translation' has lead to ignoring the middle ground but it doesn't seem sensible to ignore an area completely. I don't train to HR zones though, just fall into the right zones based on training principles. |
May 2022
8:27am, 29 May 2022
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Bowman 🇸🇪
Anyone getting new niggles from the “easy” runs. I know it supposed to be proper strides (gaits?) but it’s not that easy to do. It’s more a cliff young shuffle.. I feel that the slow pace is less controlled than a medium (banned) pace. And my ankle pain from a strain a few weeks ago is flaring up, even though I’m running very soft and effortless. I guess you have to get use to this too. |
May 2022
9:17am, 29 May 2022
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Gobi
Bowman - are you not running how you normally run ? Define slow I run down at 13mm when I run with the other half with no more issues than I have at 6mm |
May 2022
10:11am, 29 May 2022
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SPR
There's definitely form things to look at as Gobi suggested. Running significantly slower than you're used to will definitely change things like contact time, and ROM or cadence will have to change or even both. I wouldn't expect more aches and pains from this though. Longer runs are a different matter as if you keep distance the same you will be out for longer and that can have a toll even if you're running slower. Looking at your profile pic, can't see the foot fully but if that's at landing (and from the gait position it looks pretty close) then it looks like an overstride that may be more prominent at lower speeds or more 'jolting'. |
May 2022
10:15am, 29 May 2022
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SPR
I also notice you ran a marathon a couple of weeks ago, so are the aches and pains really due to running slower or due to your body not being fully recovered?
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May 2022
10:33am, 29 May 2022
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Bowman 🇸🇪
Gobi i guess i do not run exactly like I do when I run in a “comfortable” pace. Slow, below ~70% of MHR I guess I’m around 5:30/km on flat ground. Or even a bit faster. End then it feels like I have to really cripple my self to stay that slow pace. It feels like I have to disengage the springiness in my feets not to get the pulse up over 70mhr. And when it’s hilly the gait really goes out the window due to the slow pace I have to maintain. I guess it’s a matter of getting use to it. SPR I guess it’s been longer distances, since I still want to get out more mileage at a lower strain, ie, running easier. That might be it as well. Also, yes I did a marathon, and strained my self leading up to that race, but I was ok on the race day, and had no issues after the race either. But it came back after my “rest after the marathon and specifically week two when I started to ramp mileage up a bit again, albeit this time with a lot more “easy” Hr runs. So as you say, try to run normal, and maybe the niggle is from before the marathon, and not just because I run “slow”. Thanks guys! |
May 2022
4:53pm, 29 May 2022
4,203 posts
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J2R
I would second what Gobi says here. Running slowly is a kind of skill which you have to learn. Before, my gait would change when running slowly with Mrs J2R, and I would get aches and pains, but now I can keep the same gait down to much slower speeds than I used to be able to.
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