Polarized training

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May 2022
8:05am, 24 May 2022
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Bowman 🇸🇪
So i looked at the video and it cleared it up a bit for me, and it gave me some nice insights that i think suits me better.
He talks about 3 zones which is easier for me.


So i set my ones with >80% of MHR to where i should be with 80% of my training, and 81%>87% MHR as middle ground, and the last 20% of HR as where i should be with 20 % of my training.


That leaves me here:


And by that i should "avoid" the yellow middle ground span if im getting it right?

Am i thinking right, sort of SPR ?

I will read and look at the other links now to.
SPR
May 2022
8:13am, 24 May 2022
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SPR
I think it's worth noting he said science uses three zones but training uses five zones. If three zones means you end up just running in Z2 of five zone model, you might still be pushing too much depending on what else you do.

IIRC the 80, 10, 10 was split across the three zones. It's a while since I looked at this stuff though.
May 2022
8:45am, 24 May 2022
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Gobi
I like 5 zones
May 2022
8:57am, 24 May 2022
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Bowman 🇸🇪
How did i miss that, i thought i was strange that i had missed that before :)
In my defense i listen to a company presentation at the same time :)
True that you might end up in unly zone two then.
Was to good to be true :)

Will adjust my zones a bit back to the five ones described :)
Cheers.
May 2022
12:08pm, 25 May 2022
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Goofee
Presumably active use of five zones would be most beneficial once a good degree of fitness has been achieved and you're looking to fine-tune things?

Currently I'm inching back towards fitness levels of five years ago and like the simplicity of the three broader zones.
May 2022
12:26pm, 25 May 2022
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Bowman 🇸🇪
I'm still kinda lost Goofee :)
But, easier easy runs, and harder hard runs, and fine tune time spent in those brackets is what i'm aiming for now.
May 2022
12:32pm, 25 May 2022
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fetcheveryone
The HR boundaries for Fetch were initially just three zones.

1) RHR up to 70%WHR (or however you want to measure that)
2) 70% up to 85%
3) 85%+

Z1 would be for easy stuff, Z3 would be for threshold training, and Z2 is the "bit in the middle that you try to avoid".

But a lot of folks wanted five zones :-) And as has been shown, you can set them up any way you like :-)
May 2022
12:39pm, 25 May 2022
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fetcheveryone
My up-to-date HR chart:



for the last couple of months, I feel like I've really benefited from staying in the grey and cyan zones. In April and May, my grey+cyan mileage is higher than any monthly total for the previous 8 months.

It feels like it's been kinder to my legs, plus my pace in those zones has improved very nicely. A few excursions into the upper zones (typically about one a week) have also yielded some pleasing results.
May 2022
12:40pm, 25 May 2022
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Goofee
Yes, I really like that I've been able to set it up as 80% MHR and below as green, 87% and above as red (as in the video SPR linked) and it all looks very simple and easy to interpret for my current purposes. :-)
May 2022
12:41pm, 25 May 2022
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Gobi
It's Z3 threshold I avoid fetcheveryone :-)

About This Thread

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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