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Polarized training

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J2R
May 2022
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Bowman, FWIW, I transitioned to zero drop or very low drop shoes maybe a decade ago and have never had any such problems.
SPR
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You asked the question Bowman, just providing some answers.

Overstriding is still overstriding even if you land on your forefoot and even if you didn't overstride, going from high drop to zero is a big change that would put a lot of strain on lower leg.

Agree about not changing too much at once.
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Yes SPR, i appreciate it alot, ment nothing negative about all the info :)
Bare in mind my language skill may sometimes give a meaning i don't intend :)

Brunski i will give it a few weeks of this trying to get a hold of it.
It feels mostly ok already.
SPR
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No offense taken Bowman 🇸🇪
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I wear everything from zero/very low to Alphafly
SPR
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AF is only 4mm so pretty low. I think you liked the original 4% which was more than the Next which is 8%?
SPR
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Sorry 8mm. Google says 10mm for 4% so a big range.
jda
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The other thing with those shoes is that the thick soft sole makes the concept of drop hard to pin down. You can measure it unloaded, but there's a lot of compression when you run.
SPR
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True, I remember Gobi remarking that the AF feels lower than 4mm when in them.
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Yeah

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com
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