Aug 2014
12:23pm, 4 Aug 2014
10,763 posts
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GlennR
Barbecues. Just say no.
Hope you're back on the road soon Canute.
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Aug 2014
10:20am, 5 Aug 2014
1,037 posts
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Canute
Vrap, My plans are uncertain. Provided no further obstacles arise, I will almost certainly attempt to run the marathon distance in September or October, but unless I am fit enough to maintain a pace near to lactate threshold (now very unlikely) I would prefer to do this in a gently-paced off-road run. I will reserve my ‘serious’ marathon attempt for a time when I have managed to do the required training.
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Aug 2014
10:24am, 5 Aug 2014
6,420 posts
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Chrisull
Bad luck Canute and I hope your injury heals quickly.
One quick question - for polarised training, the figure of 2 minutes a mile slower than your normal MP is one I've seen mentioned, but in terms of heart rate, what kind of percentage of max heart rate would qualify as a similar effort? I struggle round here, as I can run up a hill at 11 /12 minute pace in hot weather and still put my heart rate firmly over 90% (Cornish hills are buggers).
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Aug 2014
10:28am, 5 Aug 2014
10,773 posts
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GlennR
Somewhere about 75% of MHR?? - question marks because I'm a WHR sort of person, where for me the answer is 70% WHR.
The combination of hills and heart rate based training is a pig. The best you can realistically do is assess yourself on an average, but it's not really what the method's supposed to be about.
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Aug 2014
12:27pm, 5 Aug 2014
1,038 posts
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Canute
I rely mainly on breathing rate (estimated in steps per breath) when training. I think breathing rate provides a more consistent estimate of effort than ether pace or heart rate. I have become quite familiar with breathing rhythm and rarely need to actually count steps/breath. I take one breath every 8 steps (4L,4R) during easy runs. Typically 8 steps per breath corresponds to pace in the range MP+ 90 sec/mile to MP+120 sec/mile, and average HR in the range 70-75% of HR max , but I usually only examine the HR record after the run.
On hills (typically around 1 in 8 gradient in my locality) I usually increase breathing rate to one breath every 6 steps, and HR naturally rises. However during an easy run, I would rarely see HR above 85% max even on quite steep hills
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Aug 2014
12:45pm, 5 Aug 2014
2,200 posts
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FenlandRunner
I reckon WALKING up a lakeland pass I work harder than running a 10k
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Aug 2014
1:22pm, 5 Aug 2014
6,421 posts
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Chrisull
FR I think that is entirely possible, that would be the same for me on some of the hills round here. The underlying question is - do we have to/need to walk the hills... because I notice that after several hills my heart rate never comes back down quite as low as it was.
Canute - yes I thought Heart rate wasn't great when I was feeling it at the end of my hilly 14 miler and heart rate was sticking at about 85% but I felt fully whacked, I will try breath rate.
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Aug 2014
3:15pm, 5 Aug 2014
1,039 posts
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Canute
I do not usually encounter hills that push HR above 85%max (when running easily), but if the hills were steeper I would walk up them during a long easy run.
If I decide to run hard up hills I count that in my high intensity quota. I would not include hard hill runs during an easy long run because I think it is best to minimise stress during regular long runs
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Aug 2014
5:23pm, 5 Aug 2014
6,422 posts
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Chrisull
There would be a lot of walking on my long runs - even my "easy" 4 mile route has 100m ascent!
There is one stretch of 5 mile flat road near me, apart from that it's all up and down, I live on the side of a valley (not a big one, but Cornwall is just valley after valley) so it's either up or down and up. Managed get my average heart rate down today to 77% on the 4 mile route and still keeping at a reasonable pace too.
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Aug 2014
6:17pm, 5 Aug 2014
10,775 posts
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GlennR
My issue at the moment is that 2 minutes run (at my slowest conceivable pace), 1 minute walk gives me a HR profile like an interval session. It's a good work out but not advisable for too many days in succession.
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