Polarized training

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Aug 2014
12:23pm, 4 Aug 2014
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GlennR
Barbecues. Just say no. :-)

Hope you're back on the road soon Canute.
Aug 2014
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Canute
Vrap, My plans are uncertain. Provided no further obstacles arise, I will almost certainly attempt to run the marathon distance in September or October, but unless I am fit enough to maintain a pace near to lactate threshold (now very unlikely) I would prefer to do this in a gently-paced off-road run. I will reserve my ‘serious’ marathon attempt for a time when I have managed to do the required training.
Aug 2014
10:24am, 5 Aug 2014
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Chrisull
Bad luck Canute and I hope your injury heals quickly.

One quick question - for polarised training, the figure of 2 minutes a mile slower than your normal MP is one I've seen mentioned, but in terms of heart rate, what kind of percentage of max heart rate would qualify as a similar effort? I struggle round here, as I can run up a hill at 11 /12 minute pace in hot weather and still put my heart rate firmly over 90% (Cornish hills are buggers).
Aug 2014
10:28am, 5 Aug 2014
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GlennR
Somewhere about 75% of MHR?? - question marks because I'm a WHR sort of person, where for me the answer is 70% WHR.

The combination of hills and heart rate based training is a pig. The best you can realistically do is assess yourself on an average, but it's not really what the method's supposed to be about.
Aug 2014
12:27pm, 5 Aug 2014
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Canute
I rely mainly on breathing rate (estimated in steps per breath) when training. I think breathing rate provides a more consistent estimate of effort than ether pace or heart rate. I have become quite familiar with breathing rhythm and rarely need to actually count steps/breath. I take one breath every 8 steps (4L,4R) during easy runs. Typically 8 steps per breath corresponds to pace in the range MP+ 90 sec/mile to MP+120 sec/mile, and average HR in the range 70-75% of HR max , but I usually only examine the HR record after the run.

On hills (typically around 1 in 8 gradient in my locality) I usually increase breathing rate to one breath every 6 steps, and HR naturally rises. However during an easy run, I would rarely see HR above 85% max even on quite steep hills
Aug 2014
12:45pm, 5 Aug 2014
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FenlandRunner
I reckon WALKING up a lakeland pass I work harder than running a 10k :-o
Aug 2014
1:22pm, 5 Aug 2014
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Chrisull
FR I think that is entirely possible, that would be the same for me on some of the hills round here. The underlying question is - do we have to/need to walk the hills... because I notice that after several hills my heart rate never comes back down quite as low as it was.

Canute - yes I thought Heart rate wasn't great when I was feeling it at the end of my hilly 14 miler and heart rate was sticking at about 85% but I felt fully whacked, I will try breath rate.
Aug 2014
3:15pm, 5 Aug 2014
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Canute
I do not usually encounter hills that push HR above 85%max (when running easily), but if the hills were steeper I would walk up them during a long easy run.

If I decide to run hard up hills I count that in my high intensity quota. I would not include hard hill runs during an easy long run because I think it is best to minimise stress during regular long runs
Aug 2014
5:23pm, 5 Aug 2014
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Chrisull
There would be a lot of walking on my long runs - even my "easy" 4 mile route has 100m ascent!

There is one stretch of 5 mile flat road near me, apart from that it's all up and down, I live on the side of a valley (not a big one, but Cornwall is just valley after valley) so it's either up or down and up. Managed get my average heart rate down today to 77% on the 4 mile route and still keeping at a reasonable pace too.
Aug 2014
6:17pm, 5 Aug 2014
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GlennR
My issue at the moment is that 2 minutes run (at my slowest conceivable pace), 1 minute walk gives me a HR profile like an interval session. It's a good work out but not advisable for too many days in succession.

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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