Polarized training
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Jul 2014
5:20pm, 14 Jul 2014
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Canute
Chrisul, The question of Ed’s form is very interesting. When racing he has an elegant fluent style with a fairly long stride. However during his easy runs, he shuffles along with a short stride and a very short airborne period. He is quite happy to wear quite heavy old trainers during the easy runs, whereas he wears flats when racing. Overall, his style when racing is honed for efficiency, but during easy runs he adopts a style that minimises impact forces, with little concern for energy cost per mile. Despite spending a large portion of the gait cycle on stance, the forces associated with braking are low because his pace is slow. |
Jul 2014
5:22pm, 14 Jul 2014
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FR
That's totally destroyed my suggestion that training running gait should be similar to running form within a race
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Jul 2014
5:51pm, 14 Jul 2014
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Canute
FR Some aspects of style should be adjusted according to pace. Even if the goal is maximum efficiency of energy use, cadence should be slower and stride length should be shorter at slow paces. Although Ed is a rather mischievous old curmudgeon who likes to use self-depreciating phrases when describing his training, I suspect he plans it and executes it quite thoughtfully. Minimising risk of injury is a high priority. I personally consider that is if beneficial to focus on form at whatever pace one is running. Not only is running with good form an enjoyable experience, the risk of injury is almost certainly less. |
Jul 2014
6:01pm, 14 Jul 2014
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Drell
It seems to me that there's probably some element of psychology here too. He doesn't need to do chunks of his long runs at MP to convince himself that he can keep the pace up for long periods: he's done it often enough to have that confidence.
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Jul 2014
10:13pm, 14 Jul 2014
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Le Chrishuile
That's interesting, reminds me of the sheepfarmer turned ultramarathoner Cliff Young en.wikipedia.org who had a unique style "the Young shuffle". I must admit I struggle to drop to 2 minutes a mile below my marathon pace (7.30ish a mile to 9.30ish), between 9.30 and 10 mins a mile on the flat my style becomes very awkward (I don't think it's particularly good anyway) and feels (and looks) uncomfortable. My gait feels most natural at between 6.15 to 6.30 but I can't maintain that for more than a mile or two.
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Jul 2014
10:13pm, 14 Jul 2014
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Canute
Drell, I think psychology enters into it, though the physiology and psychology are inter-twined. Renato Canova’s proteges derive confidence from confirming that they can cope with sustained MP during a long run. Ed Whitlock derives confidence from knowing that he can run 3 hours daily with little cumulative fatigue, together with the knowledge that he is in good shape over 10K. He does not take either of these things for granted. He emphasizes the necessity of building up to 3 hour daily runs very gradually, typically over 6 months or more. I think that Canova’s proteges and Ed are all basing their confidence on different markers for the same two crucial capabilities required for racing a marathon: adequate aerobic capacity to remain sub-threshold at MP and adequate resilience of leg muscles and ligaments to cope with the pounding associated with running a marathon. In fact I think that Canova’s criterion is more directly related to the actual physiological requirements of racing a marathon, because the pounding is much greater at MP that a pace 2 m/m slower. However, sustaining MP during a long run is only a short step away from ‘testing to destruction’, whereas gradually building up the ability to run at an easy pace for 3 hours daily is a more gentle way to approach the goal. It is the fact that Ed can run for 3 hours daily with minimal cumulative fatigue that is the crucial criterion – this is essentially a non-destructive test of resilience. Perhaps the ‘non-destructiveness’ of Ed’s approach is an important part of the reason why he has remained at the top of the world ranking for 15 years. These thoughts are leading me towards my own theory about the best way for an elderly person to prepare for a marathon. I am starting to test my ideas in practice this week, and will at least have some preliminary information to report by next Sunday, though the ultimate proof of the pudding might be some months in the future. |
Jul 2014
10:43pm, 14 Jul 2014
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Canute
Chrisull, I think that running well at MP + 2min/mile is an art that can be acquired. Decades ago when I was an impatient young tiger the thought of jogging for an appreciable distance was abhorrent. I still find the word ‘jog’ faintly repulsive, but I have learned to feel fluent at a pace which would once have been an uncomfortable lumpy jog. In recent weeks I have been struggling to recover from a debilitating viral infection. I was persistently tried and achy, and MP+1 min/mile was a struggle. This evening I ran for a little over an hour at about MP+2 min/mile, concentrating only on maintaining a good fluent form. It was my most enjoyable run many weeks, and at least for the moment, the troublesome aches have disappeared. One swallow does not make a summer, but I nonetheless feel quite pleased. As I said to Drell, I might have some preliminary information about a different approach to polarised training to report in a week or so. |
Jul 2014
10:06am, 15 Jul 2014
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Canute
Chrisul, The video of Cliff Young was interesting but perhaps a bit too Chaplin-esque. My first impression was that he had taken Galloway’s run/walk strategy to the extreme by including the walk in the run. I suspect that he went a bit too far in the shifting the cost of getting airborne onto the costs of overcoming braking. Maybe once pace is only marginally faster than walking pace the Young shuffle is efficient, but Ed W’s easy training pace is quite a lot faster than that, and even my MP+2 m/m not quite that slow. If the goal includes developing the resilience required at MP, I think that the action needs to be a bit more marathon-specific. While I do not think that there is anything magical about MP+2 m/m, it is interesting to note that in the early phase of base building, Lydiard’s protégés did the weekly 22 mile Waiatarua run at what would have been approximately MP+2 m/m for the marathoners among them (though the hills of Waiatarua run meant this was not all that easy). Lydiard believed that even what he called quarter pace should be ‘a good aerobic pace’ |
Jul 2014
10:07am, 15 Jul 2014
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Ceratonia
Ed's MP + 2 mins is still faster than the pace I do most of my running. Yoshihisa Hosaka (in his mid sixties, 18 years younger) is breaking quite a few age records. He still has a couple of years to go before he hits 68 and tries to beat Whitlock's oldest record. He describes his training here: runnersworld.com Seems like a lot of intervals, lots of hills, lots of volume, but no long runs. He does weights too. Very different from Whitlock. The main similarity is that they both do the same thing every day, for years and years. Even that seems to go against the idea about training monotony being a bad thing. |
Jul 2014
10:13am, 15 Jul 2014
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Le Chrishuile
The problem for me is, over very hilly territory what is MP + 2 mins? Up a 20% gradient that can be practically walking... My program is probably much closer in sprit to Hosaka's and without the long runs it does little more than help me plateau or inch forwards. I don't do weights admittedly and my high volume doesn't compare with their high volume, but my average 30-40 miles when NOT marathon training is a reasonable amount and if I drop it, I soon start slowing. |
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