Polarized training
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Aug 2014
12:15pm, 25 Aug 2014
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Canute
RE, thanks. At the moment I do the high intensity sessions on the elliptical, but in recent times I have done them running uphill on a forest path.
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Aug 2014
7:05pm, 31 Aug 2014
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Canute
Week 26 Polarised training Easy running: 434 min, 67.3 Km, 6:27 /Km, aHR 75% max Elliptical easy: 24 min High intensity: 4x3 min, peak HR 95% Total 470 min; 97.5% easy, 2.5 % high intensity At present I am continuing to follow the extremely polarised schedule based on the training of Ed Whitlock. I have presented several posts on my Wordpress blog (http://canute1.wordpress.com/2014/08/30/lessons-from-enduring-masters-marathoners/ ) in the past few weeks in which I examined the training schedules of the seven masters marathoners who have set world age-group marathon records at age 60 or older and remained high in the world rankings for a least a decade. It is almost certain that a natural predisposition to longevity played a major part in their enduring success, but detailed scrutiny of the differences in their training schedules does suggest that those who followed the most markedly polarised training schedules achieved the greatest longevity at the top of the world rankings. I have no illusions regarding my prospects of world ranking times – I would be very happy to achieve a creditable Fetch ranking - but I do consider that the evidence from these elite masters marathoners confirms my previous conclusion that a markedly polarised program offers the best hope for arresting the marked decline that I have suffered in my late 60’s. |
Sep 2014
6:27am, 5 Sep 2014
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runnyeyes
I did enjoy reading those posts Canute...thankyou. It's interesting that nobody seems to be singing the praises of cross training or strength work.? Well..John Keston seems to do some walk days, but other than that there's no mention. |
Sep 2014
6:30am, 5 Sep 2014
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runnyeyes
And...a Complaint .:-) They are ALL men |
Sep 2014
8:08am, 5 Sep 2014
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Boab
Hey Canute, I hadn't noticed this thread in the past and I don't have a great deal of time to go back through it to get a good understanding of the method. My basic understanding is, in a typical week of training, 80% of the time should be spent at an easy pace (can you define what easy is?). 10% should be at tempo pace, again a definition would be good here as tempo means different things to different people and lastly 10% at high intensity. I assume this is fast paced and longer fast paced workouts. I've an issue with the 10% high intensity part, in that I can't see my body being able to cope with so much intense work. If I take a typical week for me last year, 80-90 miles a week, roughly 10 hours of training. I am happy with the 1 hour of tempo/LT based workouts, but 1 hour of high intensity work would affect sessions for the next few days. I am not sure I could cope with it. Maybe it is something that need to be built up to. |
Sep 2014
10:40pm, 5 Sep 2014
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Canute
RE, thanks for you comment. Yoshihia Hosaka does some strength work with the aim of minimising risk of injury, and Derek Turnbull was a sheep farmer who by all reports did quite a lot of fairly demanding manual work on his farm, but most of these elite masters marathoners placed the main emphasis on running. The fact that six of the seven also achieved world ranking at 1500m in addition tot heir phenomenal marathon performances suggests that their leg muscle power was as well develop das their aerobic capacity and endurance. But I think most elderly marathoners would benefit from some strength work Sorry about the absence of enduring females elite ’masters’ marathoners. As far as I know, no females meet the criterion of setting an age group world record at age 60 or greater and remained in the all-time top 15 for more than a decade. Miyo Ishigami of Japan came nearest to meeting these criteria. She set the W55-60 record with a time of 2:57:55 at age 55 in 1989 and remained near the top of the rankings up to age 75 when she recorded 4:27:42. That is the 7th fastest ever for a lady in the 75-80 age group. She has also run some quite impressive 100K ultra’s though I do not know much about her training. |
Sep 2014
11:05pm, 5 Sep 2014
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Canute
Boab Thanks for your comment. I have some sympathy with your point of view, though a growing body of evidence does support the claim that it is the best approach for year on year development for endurance athletes. The crucial point underlying the polarised approach is that it takes almost as long to recover from tempo work as from high intensity, so the it is more effective to do relatively little tempo , replacing the tempo training with either high intensity or low intensity. I personally am finding it more practical to do a lot of low intensity training and a quite small proportion of high intensity. As described in my recent blog posts on elite masters marathoners, those who remained at the top of the world ranking longest did markedly polarised training – with a very large amount of easy running, a small amount of high intensity and virtually no tempo. At present that is what I am doing, but I anticipate it will take a few months before I can judge how well it is working. I regard anything appreciably slower than MP as low intensity, though at the moment most of my low intensity training is more than 1 min/mile slower than MP. The question of what is the most effective form of high intensity is also a continuing subject of debate. I have been doing HIIT sessions reaching a peak HR of 95% HRmax, but think that might be a bit too demanding. In the final few minutes of Stephen Seiler’s presentation in Paris last year, he presents evidence that intervals of 4x8 minute at 90% of HRmax is more effective than 4x4 min at 95% HR. canal-insep.fr |
Sep 2014
11:56pm, 5 Sep 2014
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SPR
"The question of what is the most effective form of high intensity is also a continuing subject of debate." I think that is the question, when people say they can't cope with High Intensity. For example 8 mins at 90% sounds hard, but 100m to 400m at 90% (limit of 90%) wouldn't be too hard which is pretty much what Gerschler/Pirie advocates. |
Sep 2014
8:19am, 6 Sep 2014
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Boab
Interesting presentation Canute. Makes a lot of sense and the numbers/studies speak for themselves. I would like to have seen more evidence of different training methods to go along side the polarised training rather than just the lactate threshold training method. However, the 4x8mins at 90%, while it looks hard, looks doable, so I may switch out a marathon paced effort for this in the coming weeks. The problem I have is getting that 10% of HIT into my week. It may be that I need to introduce another HIT session somewhere else, but this would largely depend on recovery. And that is where my issues lie as I am just not recovering as fast as I would like. Even the low intensity work can leave my legs tired, but this may be more to do with volume that intensity as I think there is a fine line there that even low intensity for too long leaves the body in a state that needs longer recovery. Very much like an ultra race. |
Sep 2014
9:05am, 6 Sep 2014
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Ceratonia
William Sichel would be an example of an age group record holder who does a lot of strength and cross training? Although he's only recently moved into the 60+ category, so not strictly comparable with the others. I think there have been a number of studies showing strength training is disproportionately more effective for older cyclists, not sure if that applies also to runners. Again, thanks for your blog posts Canute, very thought provoking reading. |
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