Polarized training
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Mar 2018
10:42am, 21 Mar 2018
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J2R
@NN, on the basis of my HM 2 weeks ago (1:20 and 3 sodding seconds), the McMillan calculator gives me a marathon pace of 6:26, so the pace you're talking about would be 6:41. I really doubt that I could do that within zone 1. But you know what? I'm going to give it a try! I'm going to run a mile or so to warm up and then I'm going to run a mile or so at 6:41 pace and see what HR I'm hitting. Should be interesting. Intuitively I do feel that some running at the top end of zone 1 is worthwhile although I've not seen any studies that support this.
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Mar 2018
11:24am, 21 Mar 2018
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Brunski
IIRC a lot of Lidyard training is high aerobic, so sub threshold (Hadd also has these runs once/twice weekly in his training). Guess it depends where your zone 1 ends...?
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Mar 2018
1:09pm, 21 Mar 2018
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J2R
OK, I did the test and the results are interesting. I got the pacing slightly wrong and ran at an average pace of 6:35. My HR for this was 143bpm. That's above what I would consider my VT1, although I was able to do 4 out, 4 in breathing and could have had a conversation with someone running alongside, albeit not especially comfortably. So maybe my VT1 is more like 140-141 than the 137 I had it as before. I suspect 6:45 pace would bring me down a couple of beats. This is quite encouraging. I think it means I could probably do the MP + 15s runs NN is suggesting without going much above the top of my zone 1. Maybe cardiac drift would be an issue, though? I wonder whether the best policy would be to keep an eye on the HR and not worry about the pace, so try to keep my HR around 141-142. |
Mar 2018
1:34pm, 21 Mar 2018
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Wriggling Snake
In any run cardiac drift happens so dropping pace would be correct.
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Mar 2018
1:40pm, 21 Mar 2018
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Fenners
WS, no cardiac drift during my 12-miler today ![]() |
Mar 2018
1:56pm, 21 Mar 2018
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Chrisull
My HR usually goes down slightly after the first 7-8 miles of an even paced long run as well, although it does rise after 15-16.
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Mar 2018
2:04pm, 21 Mar 2018
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J2R
Actually, from looking at my Cambridge HM early this month, I can see that there's no real cardiac drift there for me. My HR climbed for the first couple of miles (only a little for the second mile), and then stuck at around 165-166bpm until my finishing sprint. It'll be interesting to see what happens at longer distances (haven't raced longer than HM since 2012).
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Mar 2018
5:51pm, 21 Mar 2018
2,726 posts
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Ninky Nonk
exeter.ac.uk Interesting read if you've not seen this before. |
Mar 2018
6:19pm, 21 Mar 2018
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J2R
I think Paula is definitely a bit of an outlier. A very interesting take on her training from our own Canute is worth reading: canute1.wordpress.com
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Mar 2018
8:59pm, 21 Mar 2018
886 posts
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Brunski
Thanks for the link NN, interesting read that. It reminded me of a really long thread on let's run I read a while ago about the different training methods for predominantly fast twitch and slow twitch runners. I think it compared Marmede and Lopez a couple of Portuguese runners from the 80s and the differing ways they trained. The thing I took from that is that the fast twitch runner would benefit more from the polarised type of training (probably to get those adaptations of type II muscles), whereas the slow twitchers would benefit more from lots of tempo running, more races, etc (like Paula I suspect). I've not read the 2nd link from Canute yet, might save that for tomorrow. |
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