Polarized training

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J2R
Mar 2018
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J2R
Chrisull, you're absolutely right, the one pace thing is very common. I have a single sentence training plan for those who ask me for one: "Run 30-40 miles a week, mostly easy pace but a small amount really fast". A lot of club runners I know would improve significantly if they just did that.
Mar 2018
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GlennR
Yes, that was the one that worked for me, to the extent that "really fast" is applicable.
Mar 2018
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jdarun
Oh wait a sec, I have now read the header :-)The JD marathon training plan is not polarised by this definition as the fast running is only around LT. If I was targeting something shorter than a marathon I'd probably try to increase the pace of my speedwork a little though.

Just looking at the initial pic on the linked video (don't have time to watch it), most international rowers are targeting ~6 min performance (2k race).
Mar 2018
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Ninky Nonk
I don't disagree that for a lot of people: "Run 30-40 miles a week, mostly easy pace but a small amount really fast' would improve a lot of people. But to my mind it's not polarised training.

Polarised training was an analysis of elite training.

Therefore you would have to train like an elite to be doing polarised training.

Summarising all training into three zones inadequately describes elite training. That's not me saying that - That's the view of an elite coach.

I think it's a false conclusion from the analysis that elites don't do tempo runs! They do!
Mar 2018
4:34pm, 20 Mar 2018
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Chrisull
NN - don't agree with you second assertion :-). 1,3 and 4 are all fine.

To follow a principle whereby a non elite divides their training roughly up into 3 bands (and here there is also room for manoeuvre... 80% easy, is that all zone 1, or zone 2 or a bit of both? What is high intensity? Flat out all anaerobic, or above threshold?), when previously they'd be doing it as one, is going to be beneficial.

Also tempo runs while a lot of people do, but studies are showing them to be non-optimal and someone would be better doing a faster but closer to the threshold kind of run.
J2R
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J2R
NN, it's not true to say that "you would have to train like an elite to be doing polarised training". There was a study done by Seiler et al (can't find a URL at the moment) which specifically tested to see whether what they had found to be true with elite athletes also worked for competitive club level athletes as well, and they found that it did.

I think your definition of polarised training does not match that of Seiler, who came up with the term. Running "mostly easy pace but a small amount really fast" would absolutely count as polarized training - 80% or so comfortable, 20% hard or very hard.
Mar 2018
6:13pm, 20 Mar 2018
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Ninky Nonk
From the about this thread...

'Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. '

'detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )'

Therefore elite athlete training is polarised and polarised training is elite athlete training.

You can train 'like' or 'similar' to elite athletes without exactly matching their training. Anyway no two elites train exactly the same even when training for the same event...which I guess is Gobi and others point.
Mar 2018
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Brunski
I wonder how much of polarised training is just how training works out when you're running North of 100 miles a week.
It'd be impossible to run say 40% of that as tempo, 20% anaerobic, etc.

Agree that people in general try to ru too quickly too soon and you should build it up slowly, or over distinct phases of training toward a target race. A lot of people out there are somewhat stuck running 3-5 times a week, with each of this runs being quite taxing without getting them any fitter/faster.
J2R
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6:24pm, 20 Mar 2018
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J2R
I really have no idea what point you're trying to make there, NN. The fact that polarised training as a named concept came from a study of what elite athletes did does not mean that it does not apply equally to non-elite athletes, with obvious adjustments for pace. Who said anything about exactly matching elite athletes' training? It's not an exact science. Basically, if you're running the vast majority of your training runs at, say, less than 75% of your HRmax and the rest at 85% HRmax and above, you're doing polarized training. You're polarizing your training to easy stuff and hard stuff and avoiding the stuff in the middle.
J2R
Mar 2018
6:29pm, 20 Mar 2018
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J2R
Brunski, did you really mean "40% of that as tempo, 20% anaerobic"? Tempo runs are really not a big part of polarized training, except maybe as race pace training as you get close to a big race. In fact, I would venture to say that if you're NOT doing the majority of your runs at an easy pace when you're running 100+ miles per week, you're much more likely to get injured.

About This Thread

Maintained by Canute
Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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