Nov 2016
10:53pm, 26 Nov 2016
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Canute
Chrisull, My view is that if a gait oddity is not causing problems, do not try to change your gait; if does cause problems you should get an analysis by an expert.
However, if only shows up when you are tired, gait analysis might not provide a clear answer, so perhaps getting a video of you at the end of a long run might help – even perhaps a set of still photos taken at the end of a long race might be informative.
One common problem is weak gluteus medius. Weakness of g. medius on the stance side results in the pelvis dropping on the swing side. There is a tendency to compensate by inclining the torso towards the stance side to give good clearance of the swinging leg, sometimes leading to overcompensation and outswing of the swinging foot.
If this is the problem a video or a still photo at the end of a long race might show either the tilt of your pelvis and a lowered swinging knee, and/or a compensating lean of your torso towards the stance side. Maybe standing on one leg for about half a minute at the end of a long run will reveal that the leg on the unsupported side drops and you tend to lean to the stance side to compensate.
Again I must re-iterate that you should get an expert opinion, but I also believe it is good to be as informed as possible about the situation.
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Nov 2016
11:23pm, 26 Nov 2016
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Canute
I had a look at your photo gallery. In the Boconoc Fun Run your left foot is turned out, but it is very late stance on the right and your left hip is flexed so it is not easy to determine if the pelvis had dropped. The only picture I could find near mid-stance was Deviock in 2010. Your swing knee is low, suggesting possible drop of the pelvis towards the swing side, though it is not conclusive.
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Nov 2016
5:18pm, 27 Nov 2016
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Chrisull
Canute - thanks for looking. It most definitely IS causing problems. Actually people are now commenting that my gait/form is noticeably worse this year and resembles the first couple of years when I started running. Had a poor run today (about two minutes slower than 2 years ago), and this out of focus picture I've just put in the gallery from today's race actually captures my poor body shape well, I'm in yellow and black wearing gloves:
So expert opinion are we talking a) physio or b) another coach?
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Nov 2016
5:22pm, 27 Nov 2016
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Chrisull
Note this is after 2 miles (of a 5 miler) and my wife remarked that I do seem to be twisting my torso more than usual. I will see expert advice, but being able to know which area I'm looking at helps - I know when seeking physio for help before on muscle tightness, my knee got a lot of attention from an old scar from a fall and that has never caused me issues.
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Nov 2016
10:35pm, 27 Nov 2016
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Canute
It does appear you pelvis is dropping towards the swing side,, suggesting possible weakness of gluteus medius of gluteus minimus on the stance side. A still photo provides only a clue, not a definite answer, but I think the evidence is enough to warrant an expert assessment by a physio.
In many runners, weakness of gluteus medius or minimus is simply due to lack of appropriate strengthening, but it is important to get it checked by a physio, first of all because my speculation is only speculation, but even if G medius or minimus weakness is the problem it should be checked by a physio to make sure that you have not damaged either the muscle at it attachment to the trochanter (the bony projection on the humerus) or perhaps the superior gluteal nerve that supplies both muscles.
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Nov 2016
10:43pm, 27 Nov 2016
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Canute
trochhanter is on femur - not humerus !!
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Nov 2016
5:55am, 28 Nov 2016
253 posts
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Dillthedog57
I have decided that in my next life I am going to be a running Physio because it appears that whatever the problem is, the answer is "strengthen the glutes"! Which I reckon I can master fairly quickly. Sheet of paper with strengthening exercises on, job done, next satisfied customer please.
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Nov 2016
11:02am, 28 Nov 2016
1,765 posts
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Canute
Dil, there are three glutes on each side, and various reasons why they might malfunction, but nonetheless, the real skill in being a good physio is being able to spot the less common cases in which glutes are not the problem.
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Nov 2016
12:20pm, 28 Nov 2016
10,348 posts
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Chrisull
Thanks Canute - I will let the polarised thread get back to polarised training now :-). For the record I don't think there is any damage, I have always had an asymmetry, since before running with my ability to stretch one glute - the one side (right) is highly immobile. I'm just mystified as to why this year my form has detiorated (without pain - this is mainly unconscious). One theory is to do with polarised training, either running the hills gently is not good for the glute or is not provided sufficient stimulus that has normally kept the weakness at bay. The other is I've dropped single leg squats from my workouts this year, and this has made a difference. Have located a physio who specialises in running/gait etc.
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Nov 2016
12:43pm, 28 Nov 2016
1,766 posts
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Canute
I think it is very likely that omitting the single leg squats is the main reason for the recurrence of the problem this year. Nonetheless, it I worth getting a physio to address the problem. If weakness of the right gluteus medius or minimus is the problem it is worth establishing why you have always had reduced mobility of the glutes on the right.
The discussion has been relevant to polarized training. The question of achieving strength endurance in addition to aerobic capacity is a crucial issue for planning training for a distance runner.
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