Polarized training

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Dec 2016
12:11pm, 1 Dec 2016
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Ninky Nonk
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7906903#

Thoughts?
Dec 2016
7:48pm, 1 Dec 2016
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Canute
I think short intense hill sprints during base building are useful for building strength and maintaining some speed in your legs.

Although 6 short hill sprints with adequate recovery might add relatively little to the total training volume for a young high-level athlete, it is nonetheless important to ensure that total stress does not become excessive. I have never done them more often than once a week. I agree with the posters who claimed that doing short hill sprints before a tempo or interval session can make faster paces feel easier, but it is essential to warm- up well.
SPR
Dec 2016
10:54pm, 1 Dec 2016
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SPR
I've been doing hill sprints 48 hours before races for a while now. If I remember correctly this was something Magness picked up from Canova (and wrote about on his blog a few years back) who has had athletes do it 24 hours before races. 48 hours is to be safe regarding any soreness that may occur. I may try 24 hours at some point as the run the next day is usually good. As I'm doing them weekly anyway, soreness isn't a big risk ATM.

I also have done flat sprints before intervals in the past (haven't done intervals for a while). Usually do hill sprints after a general run, my basic run is 6.2 miles but I do 4.6 miles on the days I'm doing hill sprints (this is in general training rather than before a race).
SPR
Dec 2016
10:56pm, 1 Dec 2016
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SPR
I haven't found the blog post about muscle tuning before a race but I've found this: scienceofrunning.com

Part two is most relevant to what NN posted but part 1 is good on why.
Dec 2016
8:51am, 2 Dec 2016
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Chrisull
Exploring the letsrun thread:

"Find a hill that is not too steep, but challenging This - the most subject part. Like a 8-15% grade?"

Maybe I'm just being an old wuss, but even living in Cornwall a 15% hill IS challenging. The thought of doing one before or after a hard workout, well isn't pleasant. Which is where strava workouts are interesting - why not during a run? I have a hill like that I can incorporate into a run, run it hard, with good form, incorporate several?

For me, having assessed my own form and seeing how it deteriorates under pressure/heavy load - often without my knowledge, I'd say running up a hill hard with bad form isn't giving me anything. If you can do the session with good form yes, then I can totally see benefits, but I think you need to be in a fairly good place already.

On a separate note, just three days of strength work already (not excessive - as per Brian Mac's power triad workout) is making differences already. Might just be psychological - or it might be making me aware of my posture/form, but I notice, suddenly hills are feeling easier and strava is telling me that I'm getting up them quicker, but definitely putting less effort in. (This often happens after hill work too- maybe super compensation? If I go back and so the same hill 3 or 4 days running, I will often be much quicker up it by the end)
SPR
Dec 2016
9:04am, 2 Dec 2016
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SPR
Why not during a run? Because it will no longer be a sprint. That said, I wouldn't do them after a hard workout either, doesn't make sense to me to do that.
Dec 2016
9:28am, 2 Dec 2016
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Ninky Nonk
I think there might be some training amplifier effect with doing the hills after a workout.

Remember after a tempo run you shouldn't be goosed so quite possible with a break to finish with a few hill sprints.

I've recently done 3mile tempos followed by fast intervals and it's very achievable.
SPR
Dec 2016
10:04am, 2 Dec 2016
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SPR
Still not convinced. The purpose of sprinting is to recruit as many muscle fibres as possible, this will probably feel fairly easy but is taxing on the CNS, you are also trying to teach your body to react quickly, like in plyometrics, and that isn't best done with fatigued muscles. If doing weights for example you would snatch/ clean and jerk before squatting and deadlifting in most situations. I'm sure there's benefits to doing it fatigued but I think that's an advanced session not the starting point. Intervals are slightly different since you're more likely to be looking at aerobic development there.

It comes back to what are you trying to achieve. I certainly don't think after a workout should be where people start.
Dec 2016
12:04pm, 2 Dec 2016
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Ninky Nonk
I think this might be less about reacting quickly and developing strength and more about efficient fibre recruitment to develop efficiency when fatigued for improvement in running economy.
Dec 2016
12:05pm, 2 Dec 2016
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Ninky Nonk
Yes probably best to work up to this rather than a start point!

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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