Polarized training
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Dec 2016
12:11pm, 1 Dec 2016
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Ninky Nonk
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7906903# Thoughts? |
Dec 2016
7:48pm, 1 Dec 2016
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Canute
I think short intense hill sprints during base building are useful for building strength and maintaining some speed in your legs. Although 6 short hill sprints with adequate recovery might add relatively little to the total training volume for a young high-level athlete, it is nonetheless important to ensure that total stress does not become excessive. I have never done them more often than once a week. I agree with the posters who claimed that doing short hill sprints before a tempo or interval session can make faster paces feel easier, but it is essential to warm- up well. |
Dec 2016
10:54pm, 1 Dec 2016
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SPR
I've been doing hill sprints 48 hours before races for a while now. If I remember correctly this was something Magness picked up from Canova (and wrote about on his blog a few years back) who has had athletes do it 24 hours before races. 48 hours is to be safe regarding any soreness that may occur. I may try 24 hours at some point as the run the next day is usually good. As I'm doing them weekly anyway, soreness isn't a big risk ATM. I also have done flat sprints before intervals in the past (haven't done intervals for a while). Usually do hill sprints after a general run, my basic run is 6.2 miles but I do 4.6 miles on the days I'm doing hill sprints (this is in general training rather than before a race). |
Dec 2016
10:56pm, 1 Dec 2016
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SPR
I haven't found the blog post about muscle tuning before a race but I've found this: scienceofrunning.com Part two is most relevant to what NN posted but part 1 is good on why. |
Dec 2016
8:51am, 2 Dec 2016
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Chrisull
Exploring the letsrun thread: "Find a hill that is not too steep, but challenging This - the most subject part. Like a 8-15% grade?" Maybe I'm just being an old wuss, but even living in Cornwall a 15% hill IS challenging. The thought of doing one before or after a hard workout, well isn't pleasant. Which is where For me, having assessed my own form and seeing how it deteriorates under pressure/heavy load - often without my knowledge, I'd say running up a hill hard with bad form isn't giving me anything. If you can do the session with good form yes, then I can totally see benefits, but I think you need to be in a fairly good place already. On a separate note, just three days of strength work already (not excessive - as per Brian Mac's power triad workout) is making differences already. Might just be psychological - or it might be making me aware of my posture/form, but I notice, suddenly hills are feeling easier and |
Dec 2016
9:04am, 2 Dec 2016
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SPR
Why not during a run? Because it will no longer be a sprint. That said, I wouldn't do them after a hard workout either, doesn't make sense to me to do that.
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Dec 2016
9:28am, 2 Dec 2016
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Ninky Nonk
I think there might be some training amplifier effect with doing the hills after a workout. Remember after a tempo run you shouldn't be goosed so quite possible with a break to finish with a few hill sprints. I've recently done 3mile tempos followed by fast intervals and it's very achievable. |
Dec 2016
10:04am, 2 Dec 2016
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SPR
Still not convinced. The purpose of sprinting is to recruit as many muscle fibres as possible, this will probably feel fairly easy but is taxing on the CNS, you are also trying to teach your body to react quickly, like in plyometrics, and that isn't best done with fatigued muscles. If doing weights for example you would snatch/ clean and jerk before squatting and deadlifting in most situations. I'm sure there's benefits to doing it fatigued but I think that's an advanced session not the starting point. Intervals are slightly different since you're more likely to be looking at aerobic development there. It comes back to what are you trying to achieve. I certainly don't think after a workout should be where people start. |
Dec 2016
12:04pm, 2 Dec 2016
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Ninky Nonk
I think this might be less about reacting quickly and developing strength and more about efficient fibre recruitment to develop efficiency when fatigued for improvement in running economy.
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Dec 2016
12:05pm, 2 Dec 2016
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Ninky Nonk
Yes probably best to work up to this rather than a start point!
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