Polarized training

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Maybe, I fast finish some runs and end with a sprint for something along those lines. For a well developed athlete this might be an good way of doing it. It is certainly not for the majority of layman distance runners who rarely sprint.
Dec 2016
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Canute
I think that the feeling of ‘having speed in your legs’ is based largely on the sensation of recruiting fast twitch fibres. Intense hill sprints (with good recovery) help develop this.

However, you might wonder why this is helpful for a long distance runner, since fast twitch fibres are poorly adapted for aerobic metabolism. I suspect the reason is that fast twitch fibres are good at capturing the energy of impact as elastic energy. Provided you have developed the ability to recycle lactate from FT fibres to ST fibres that can use the lactate as fuel, the FT contractions at impact do not lead to increase in blood acidity.
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Chrisull

It is good to hear that you feel that there has been an improvement after a few strength training sessions. I suspect that this might be because you have re-awakened the neural pathways that recruit gluteus medius and gluteus miniimus. I hope things continue to improve
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Ninky Nonk
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This looks like the idea.
SPR
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9:35pm, 3 Dec 2016
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Yep, and that is usually best done fairly fresh.

Interesting twitter handle that and this retweet is pretty inspiring actually:

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I'm actually thinking of doing some sessions with my club’s sprint group.
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Interesting stuff about tempo vs intervals as well. Of course as always when it comes to intervals/ reps/ intermittent training more detail is needed, but I assume they are referring to anaerobic training.
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Ninky Nonk
Depends on the definition of anaerobic training 😂
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I guess so, 800m training would be different from 5000m. That's why I'm surprised people still just say intervals like all intermittent training is the same.
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2:38pm, 5 Dec 2016
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Chrisull
Some nice links/twitter follows there.

I looked Jonathan Black's feed and saw him doing a 3*900m hill reps and found a 3 * 1100m hill rep course I could do over a strava segment. Strength definitely improving only trouble is I nicked the CR off the fastest guy in the club (there will be retribution), I can feel I am activating my glutes more. The question is why did I ever stop doing this? This article had one or two pointers as well tying in with things you've all said:

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11:13pm, 7 Dec 2016
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That sounds like great progress Chrisull, even though it might leave you facing ‘consequences’

Thanks for posting the Runner’s World article with the great clip of Med doing drills. Over the years I have devoted quite a lot of tine to hopping and skipping drills like these, though perhaps not with Meb’s great range of motion at the hip. However there is need for some caution. Hopping and skipping drills are potentially more damaging than hill sprints. It is important to build up slowly and avoid them when very tired.

I am less confident than Scott Douglas (the author of the Runner’s World article) that these are the way to minimize the effects of age. If your goal is to continue running ell until you are 60, these drills are great, but if you want to keep running well until you are 80, I would be inclined to do more hill sprints and be a little more sparing with the hopping/skipping drills.

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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