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J2R
Nov 2022
3:38pm, 18 Nov 2022
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J2R
Dave, I would be thinking of something like months or even years as the timescale for improvement for training this way. Or rather, you will see benefits probably in weeks, but those benefits will tend to accrue slowly over a long timespan, whereas if you were to go for something like HIIT, you'd improve quickly and then plateau after a while.
Nov 2022
3:41pm, 18 Nov 2022
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Gobi
J2R

I tried to explain it this way

Controlled hr training bring controlled progression but also the good base means that during the off season thanks to good base you do not lose as much fitness

Hiit has the ability to spring you forward quickly but you lose it all just as quickly
Nov 2022
10:15am, 19 Nov 2022
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Dave A
20.10 at Parkrun. Ave pace of 6.33 and max hr of 187. Average was 177.

I’ve seen higher on the max this year. I timed my effort at the end wrong. I should have done it based on distance to go. What I actually did was up the top end effort based on how long I thought was left to go. It turned out that it wasn’t as long as I thought.
Not to worry. A good blast out. Negative split. And a reasonable pace considering I’ve been running 10 mm’s recently and haven’t gone any properly structured speed work for years.

I’ll go back in about 6 weeks and see if more base training has improved results.
Dec 2022
7:19am, 10 Dec 2022
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Big_G
I know we all know about low HR training, but here is a good interview.

https://youtu.be/JDxVcLbsheg


I hadn’t heard of him, but it’s with Gareth King from NI who went from 3:36 to 2:27 in the marathon, and has also won distance records for NI and represented GB, and he’s 42. He talks about the importance of base building and how he added some speed work when he plateaued, and diet, etc, and he mentioned HADD in passing. I also found it fascinating about the self doubt he had, even at his level. It’s quite long but I enjoyed it.
Dec 2022
8:12am, 10 Dec 2022
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Snowman Bowman 🇸🇪 ☃️
Cool, will take a look later. Thanks Big_G
Jan 2023
10:26am, 8 Jan 2023
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steve45
I was on the thread several months ago and talking about my concerns over pace in relation to my HR. Glad that I pushed for an ECG early last year although nothing abnormal was picked up my GP could hear something slightly abnormal via stethoscope. He referred me to hospital cardiology and I've had a Transthoracic Echocardiogram (TTE) in Early December which has shown up some issue in relation to my Ejection Fraction. (ie blood doesn't get pumped to the parts of my body demanding it) . Had a full Cardio CT angiogram scan in mid December and awaiting results after which the consultant will then take matters from there.
Worth keeping an eye on HR when you're old.
Jan 2023
10:59am, 8 Jan 2023
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Flatlander
When I had my first Echocardiogram in 2016 (to check that my newly diagnosed autoimmune disease wasn't causing pulmonary hypertension) it was found that my Ejection Fraction (the percentage of blood the ventricles can pump out) was low.
Also, both my atria were enlarged, not unusual in trained athletes.

In 2018 I developed Persistent Atrial Fibrillation which was eventually corrected by cardiac ablation at Papworth Hospital.

In cardiology and Echocardiogram follow ups, it was noted that my EF was now normal and my atria were no longer so enlarged. The cardiologist thought that it was possible that I had been having Paroxysmal AF for some years without noticing, and once the AF had been permanently fixed the heart had remodelled itself.
Jan 2023
12:29pm, 8 Jan 2023
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Bowman 🇸🇪
I know we all know about low HR training, but here is a good interview.
https://youtu.be/JDxVcLbsheg
I hadn’t heard of him, but it’s with Gareth King from NI who went from 3:36 to 2:27 in the marathon, and has also won distance records for NI and represented GB, and he’s 42. He talks about the importance of base building and how he added some speed work when he plateaued, and diet, etc, and he mentioned HADD in passing. I also found it fascinating about the self doubt he had, even at his level. It’s quite long but I enjoyed it.


Just realized after this video that I run about 80% of my mileage in MAF HR, and about 20% speed every week too, or most weeks. I thought MAF vas even lower HR.
And it works well for me. Interesting.
Jan 2023
10:31am, 9 Jan 2023
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steve45
Interesting post there Flatlander and gives me some optimism. Haven't had the results of the full CT heart angiogram yet so will try to stay buoyed up!
Jan 2023
11:26pm, 9 Jan 2023
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Brunski
All the best Steve 45, hope the results come back as something with a remedy that allows you to put things right and continue running 🤞

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Everything you need to know about training with a heart rate monitor. Remember the motto "I can maintain a fast pace over the race distance because I am an Endurance God". Mind the trap door....

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A quote:

"The area between the top of the aerobic threshold and anaerobic threshold is somewhat of a no mans land of fitness. It is a mix of aerobic and anaerobic states. For the amount of effort the athlete puts forth, not a whole lot of fitness is produced. It does not train the aerobic or anaerobic energy system to a high degree. This area does have its place in training; it is just not in base season. Unfortunately this area is where I find a lot of athletes spending the majority of their seasons, which retards aerobic development. The athletes heart rate shoots up to this zone with little power or speed being produced when it gets there." Matt Russ, US International Coach

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