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Jun 2017
5:33pm, 29 Jun 2017
695 posts
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Dillthedog57
I am the same J2r. Heart rate is my policemenan to do my easy runs easy! Hard runs I do to a pace
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Jun 2017
5:46pm, 29 Jun 2017
602 posts
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J2R
Actually, it's not quite true to say that I do my easy runs to a specific heart rate. I did so when I was establishing what a proper easy pace should be, but these days I tend to monitor my breathing rather than keep looking at my HRM. I usually breathe 4 steps out (i.e., L-R-L-R), 4 in, or when I'm trying to keep it a little easier, 5 in, 5 out. I also mix it up with 4-5 or 5-4. In the summer months I breathe through my nose rather than my mouth for the easy stuff (I can't do it when the weather's cold because my nose gets too runny).
The point of all this is simply to ensure that I'm keeping the effort level low, and it's easier to do this by breath than looking at an HRM all the time (and, I would suggest, probably more reflective of day to day variations in how one's body responds to exercise). I do look at my HRM a fair bit too, but mainly to check what breathing equates to what HR.
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Jun 2017
10:22pm, 29 Jun 2017
33,558 posts
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Hills of Death (HOD)
I like the phrase my HR is my policeman 😂
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Jun 2017
3:03pm, 30 Jun 2017
11,348 posts
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Chrisull
Having said that no further gains coming, after 3 races in 6 days then 1 rest day and 2nd easy jog day, HR averages 126 for 5 miles and was sitting at 118-119 for large periods on the flat, still at sub 10 pace.
It would be nice if that suddenly translated into shiny new pbs at the relays I will be doing in a couple of weeks, but I bet it doesn't.
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Jun 2017
3:22pm, 30 Jun 2017
604 posts
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J2R
I know what you mean, Chrisull! You don't win any prizes for heart rate. My speed at low heart rates would suggest that I must be in very good shape at the moment, but my race performances this year haven't been quite what I'd hoped for, apart from a couple. To be fair, conditions such as temperature and wind on the day have played their part, as has the fact that I've had a long period of persistent migraines and have often been racing while rather under the weather. Alas, there's a lot more to good race times than just being fit!
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Jun 2017
3:37pm, 30 Jun 2017
11,349 posts
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Chrisull
J2R - Yeah this is the thing , a lot of the hyperbole on here would have you believe, record low HR and getting low makes you a super fast/super fit runner. I think it is a small (but not insignificant) part of a complex and difficult to understand picture, where weight, muscle "conditioning", HRV, running form, mental preparation, central governor - also play equally as important roles.
Seen an interesting study that indicates slowing down in later part of marathons has a genetic component too...
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Jun 2017
4:39pm, 30 Jun 2017
5,375 posts
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Markymarkmark
That's probably my genetic component you're talking about, Chrisull!
Do you have any details please?
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Jun 2017
6:35pm, 30 Jun 2017
60 posts
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Training Log
Do you have a ref for that Chrisull?Love a good read.
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Jun 2017
7:02pm, 30 Jun 2017
607 posts
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J2R
Don't people slow down in the the later part of marathons because they're knackered, having run hard for a very long way? Is it more complex than this?
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Jun 2017
8:32pm, 30 Jun 2017
11,352 posts
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Chrisull
Digging it out - it's a medical study not a piece of journalism so be warned....
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