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Mar 2017
6:46pm, 6 Mar 2017
397 posts
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Dillthedog57
Brunski I would say that you are definitely an oddity! But, your results are fantastic, so clearly your training isn't rubbish, unless you think you should be much quicker? Whatever you are doing is working for you, if it doesn't fit in with what most people would expect, then does it matter?
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Mar 2017
8:26pm, 6 Mar 2017
23,585 posts
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SPR
I bet if you get a graph of PtB or some one else's HR to pace there would be a relationship between pace and HR. As far as I can see, you don't have one.
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Mar 2017
9:03pm, 6 Mar 2017
10,955 posts
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Bazoaxe
Brunski, if you would try another HRM you might get some help in understanding the data.
There is too much odd about your data to make it worthless to pay any real attention to it or use it to guide racing and training
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Mar 2017
10:51pm, 6 Mar 2017
213 posts
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Brunski
I got a bit of rubbish looking back on tonight's data....But I stand by the fact if I'm monitoring the monitor (as it were), I know when it's playing nicely, or when it needs an adjustment...I guess I don't look at it when I'm running hard and we were having a bit of fun attacking strava segments tonight.
I guess I'm not as sure what's happening once it gets above 150 or 160bpm, as I'm concentrating on my running form rather than the watch... Maybe the monitor does struggle at the higher rates, which would then put my other levels out?
I think there is a relationship between pace and HR, it's just not as easy to spot because a) I'm forever running on hills, and b) I have a tendency to drop off it, probably earlier than I should.
I'm planning a 5k PB attempt 2 weeks before my HM, so will set alerts so I don't drop off the HR, this has worked before to good effect.
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Mar 2017
9:03am, 7 Mar 2017
23,586 posts
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SPR
You shouldn't need to monitor a HR monitor.
Your issue isn't HR anyway, why do you need an alert to tell you you've slowed down, why can you feel that? On the 5k you talked about on your blog you swung from 5mm to 7mm and back,you should feel that.
A trend would show regardless of hills and slowing down.
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Mar 2017
9:05am, 7 Mar 2017
261 posts
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SSLHP (Shoes smell like horse piss)
Brunski
I'd recommend doing a HR/Pace test -not only to establish that relationship, but also to track your progress, by doing the exact same test 6 weeks apart.
If you can find somewhere of about 1.5 miles flattish then this would be perfect to run 1 mile at 130, 140, 150, 160 and 170bpm.
Use the 1/2 mile to establish and lock onto the HR, then run 1 mile sticking to that HR and record the time. Reset your watch and recover for about 90s. Repeat the above at your next HR and so on.
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Mar 2017
9:12am, 7 Mar 2017
2,605 posts
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Ninky Nonk
I think you're wasting your breath.
Good luck on your 5k brunski.
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Mar 2017
1:26pm, 7 Mar 2017
214 posts
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Brunski
SPR - I agree with what you've said, I dropped off it on the uphill bit through the park (not near PB and not bothered enough about placing at a parkrun)... I was aware I'd eased, but surprised by how much. I just thought it interesting that this feeling of slacking off was represented quite clearly in the HR graph by a real drop, not just by a few beats but ~30bpm. When I had a word with myself it came back and HR rose. I guess I'm prone to slacking (which may also be why I can't bring myself to do the high HR training on my own), and knowing I had done 4 and had a decent 5 mile run home up and over the hills maybe came into my thinking too.
SSLHP - I'll do the HR test, I think it would be useful for setting my training paces. I also need to do it because I have recently been thinking of replacing a HR monitor that I think is working (and when I can see it isn't it is pretty easily rectified by a quick adjustment).
NN - Cheers mate.... I'm either going to nail it and go close to 17 mins. Or look a right plank when my HRM gives up on me, my motivation drops and I end up shuffling the 2nd lap as I've given up the ghost!
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Mar 2017
1:58pm, 7 Mar 2017
216 posts
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Brunski
See what you mean about monitoring the monitor as well, but if I know my max is what it is, the only times I'll be looking at the monitor are when I'm doing HR training at a set BPM, so I will be looking at it. Apart from that I'm just tootling around at whatever effort I fancy, sometimes I try to set this 140bpm, sometimes 150bpm. If I'm just running at a steady effort this tends to be around 120bpm.
Say my max is 200bpm, I think it's a tad higher but that is a recent reading. Would the following bands sound reasonable (as this is what I'd approximate I get when I'm on the flat - or as flat as I get in Sheffield):
120 (60%) = 8:00 m/m
130 (65%) = 7:30 m/m
140 (70%) = 6:50 m/m
150 (75%) = 6:20 m/m
160 (80%) = 6:00 m/m ??
170 (85%) = 5:50 m/m ??
180 (90%) = 5:40 m/m ??
I think the last 3 are conservative, the 150 is spot on IMO as did a 10 mile tempo averaging 6:15 in 152bpm average (watch working ok)
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Mar 2017
11:30am, 8 Mar 2017
33,214 posts
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Hills of Death (HOD)
My Percentages I think are right are
120 (60%) = No idea
118 (65%) = 9.45 -10.00m/m
128 (70%) = 9.15 m/m
137 (75%) = 8.45-9.00 m/m
160 (80%) = 8.00-8.15 m/m
170 (85%) = 7.30 mm
180 (90%) = 6.45-7 m/m
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