Heart rate
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Mar 2017
4:40pm, 1 Mar 2017
259 posts
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SSLHP (Shoes smell like horse piss)
Yeah Brunski, 77% is 1st ventilatory threshold isn't it? That should feel piss easy. As we've all said many times you are a very fit and fast runner but your stats are not right. I did a tempo run last night around 88% MHR which felt hard -slightly shy of my 10K race pace |
Mar 2017
4:48pm, 1 Mar 2017
1,612 posts
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RunningInCircles
Cheers larkim  I've definitely seen discussion on discrepancies between sports, but not into it enough to have dug through it properly. My _guess_ would be that muscular propulsion fails before the aerobic capacity is reached due to weakness in muscles for that particular activity i.e. a runner getting tested on a bike or in the pool. Don't train personally by heart rate, but always find this an interesting thread to follow Lots to learn....
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Mar 2017
4:52pm, 1 Mar 2017
1,712 posts
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larkim
Sounds about right RIC - I know from personal experience that my legs give up before my heart does when cycling so I can get a much higher HR when running than I can when cycling, but I wonder whether a exercise bike in a lab would be able to get me to push to an equivalent level. I've only ever run about 800m on a treadmill (in a shop) so all I'm really going off is seeing TV documentaries where they test people out - and that's usually on a tready or on a exercise bike, so I guess they have faith in the data they get out.
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Mar 2017
5:00pm, 1 Mar 2017
1,713 posts
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larkim
@brunski - looking at your recent 10k PB (http://www.fetcheveryone.com/t-13440618), the HR graph is all over the place. But it seems you were running that at a consistent 180-ish. There's no way on earth then a HM should be at 155!
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Mar 2017
5:10pm, 1 Mar 2017
1,368 posts
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StuHolmes
No cadence data there... but I bet it's about 180.
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Mar 2017
6:28pm, 1 Mar 2017
199 posts
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Brunski
Thanks Larkim, I agree I was prob within 5-10 bpm of my max recorded in each mile. Here are my splits for my 5k Parkrun PB from 31st December. It's not a flat course so there is some variation in there but HRM seemed to be working here: Split Summary === 1) 1m - 5:56(5:56/m) 175/189bpm 2) 1m - 5:50(5:50/m) 183/190bpm 3) 1m - 5:38(5:38/m) 182/197bpm 4) 0.02m - 6(4:29/m) 191/191bpm http://www.fetcheveryone.com/t-13303635 |
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Mar 2017
12:41pm, 6 Mar 2017
211 posts
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Brunski
I've blogged about my heart rate dilemmas... I was going to stick it in here as well but prob best to link it instead (bit of a ramble) http://www.fetcheveryone.com/blog-view.php?id=79571 Interested in thoughts/challenges, and if there are any suggestions as to how I can bridge this jump in HR, do I just have to train more in these uncomfortable zones? |
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Mar 2017
1:31pm, 6 Mar 2017
260 posts
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SSLHP (Shoes smell like horse piss)
Brunski The bit I struggle to understand (which doesn't mean you're wrong) is that you can sprint finish with 199 HR, yet you struggle to get it over 155 in training. The difference between these two figures is huge in terms of how they should relate to effort. For you, 155 should be not much above a jog. Maybe there's nothing wrong with your readings and you demonstrate that when it comes to heart rate, there are Outliers |
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Mar 2017
2:45pm, 6 Mar 2017
212 posts
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Brunski
Cheers, and yes I agree that I should (and would love to) be able to hold heart rates of 160, 170, 180 much easier than I appear able to. I can only put it down to the change in stride I blogged about, and having big thighs that need dragging along! In this recent spell I've run pretty much every day, sometimes upto 3 times. I've never ran this far, or this frequently before so I'm hoping my body will eventually get used to it. I remember running home at 170 or 180bpm when I first started running, before I started training at lower HR. I'm going to taper for the Sheffield half on April 9th, maybe even have a few days off (first since 20th December), and I'm going to set myself alerts on my watch to make sure that I don't drop below 170BPM (approx 85% max)...I should be able to run it at over 90% max according to articles I've read, but don't even reach this in parkruns. I managed to average 166 in last years run, and set a 12 minute PB...yes it was a soft PB, but still needed to be beat. But I'm running much quicker at lower HR now, and if I can do it this year I'll be in completely new territory with another massive PB. I'm probably setting myself up for a fail...maybe my training is rubbish, maybe I train too soft, but I don't ever feel able to train at the HR I'd need to in order to complete HR training like Hadd. |
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Mar 2017
6:07pm, 6 Mar 2017
25 posts
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Julii
I did a 4.5 (ish) X-country race yesterday. I'm really pleased (amazed) that my HR was above 91% the whole way (avg = almost 94%). I was pacing myself based on what HRM said & how I felt. I did not know I could work that hard for so long. otoh, given I felt fantastic & I know I was working very hard, it's a bit disappointing that my finish time didn't improve that much compared to last yr (when I probably worked far less hard). I'm impressed with how tired I was later. Also confirms I couldn't have worked any harder. |
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