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Joopsy
Joopsy
Oct 2021
4:26am, 8 Oct 2021
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Joopsy
So you wouldn’t mind if the Takiban bought your club then Cheg?
Roberto
Roberto
Oct 2021
7:04am, 8 Oct 2021
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Roberto
Most PL clubs owners are dirty in some way. I don't mind them being taken over and another club having money. But I think the humans rights stuff and the murders etc is so well known that this doesn't sit right.

This deal especially has shown how corrupt the PL is and how corrupt and involved our government is which is also worrying.

But at the end of the day, money talks, and I don't blame the fans at all. Every fan wants to feel like they will compete and have money to spend to do so. Every fan deserves to feel they can compete.
TROSaracen
TROSaracen
Oct 2021
8:22am, 8 Oct 2021
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TROSaracen
Nothing dirty about Gold and Sullivan….😉
Chrisull
Chrisull
Oct 2021
9:25am, 8 Oct 2021
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Chrisull
Keeping sport and politics separate (not), anyone see the Jermaine Jenas documentary last night?

It was a tough watch. Football has a real problem with racism and has had for many many years, we are just kidding ourselves it had ever improved. There was that line he said "it seems much worse now" when taken in context of the later one "I used to get 40-50 voice mails a day after a match"

He approached 140 trolls, not one would agree to meet him. And the shocking intransigence of the social media companies, who refuse to take down obviously racist and deeply offensive posts. Total solidarity with Jenas, Rashford, Sterling and Saka, what they have had to put up with (along with every other footballer from an ethnic minority at any kind of professional football). It is totally unacceptable, and society is just turning the other way.

That's the problem with keeping politics and sport separate, as politics just won't keep separate from sport.
swittle
swittle
Oct 2021
9:48am, 8 Oct 2021
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swittle
Was it only back in May this year that Anton Ferdinand explored similar murky waters?

bbc.co.uk

Chris, your point about media company executives shrugging their shoulders mirrors the apparent apathy in the UK and beyond.
Oscar the Grouch
Oscar the Grouch
Oct 2021
9:54am, 8 Oct 2021
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Oscar the Grouch
Reading Pat Nevin's biography has lead me in the direction of Paul Canniford's Black and Blue. It's on my list to read but as the first black fotballer to play for Chelsea, I can only imagine what he might have gone through from his own team and 'supporters' before we even get to the away fans...
Derby Tup
Derby Tup
Oct 2021
9:58am, 8 Oct 2021
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Derby Tup
Society not just football has a problem with racism
Oscar the Grouch
Oscar the Grouch
Oct 2021
10:21am, 8 Oct 2021
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Oscar the Grouch
Agreed, DT
Chrisull
Chrisull
Oct 2021
12:23pm, 8 Oct 2021
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Chrisull
And yet football is definitely one of the places where racism is most visible, or manifests itself most viciously. A person of colour wouldn't walk on the street and expect 50 abusive shouts every time they did that, even though single or plural episodes of racism would be all too common I'm guessing. And (not getting at you here DT, that isn't the intention), it seems that saying it's "society's problem" is a way of passing the buck or not addressing it so seriously, because ergo it seems to mean "if society hasn't figured it out, how can football be expected to" swiftly followed by we can get back to "move along now, let me get back to watching the football".

Barnay Ronay has a great crack at this, in this morning's Guardian - approaching it from the Saudi angle (of course):

"Another awkward area. Homosexuality is punishable in Saudi Arabia by public whipping or chemical castration. How does this play out with Rainbow Laces day? Are we still against all forms of discrimination? Because it might start to look as though we don’t actually mean all this. How about the treatment of foreign workers? How about Protocols-of-the-Elders-of-Zion-level antisemitism? How exactly does that square with no room for racism?"

theguardian.com

I'm actually gonna stick my head out and saying I will boycott/ignore the next World Cup (for all the sodding difference it will make), because the treatment and deaths of migrant workers in Qatar has been sickening and I can't find time for entertainment that has required people to actively die for my pleasure. And there are probably other examples where this has happened and I've chosen to do nothing so I'm being hypocritical, but it does seem to be the most egregrious example. I'll defer to Barney here, because I have no broad answers, just a mounting sense of frustration, rage and my own importence...

"English football is stocked full of fine words on these topics, mixed with a baffling level of impotence when it comes to getting things done, to genuinely challenging those barriers and prejudices in our own society."
Cheg
Cheg
Oct 2021
12:39pm, 8 Oct 2021
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Cheg
Yeah China and Athens definitely had worker deaths for their olympics. I mean there are construction worker deaths globally every day. It’s all about scale. What’s your number?

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