Electric car anyone?
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Mar 2023
9:38am, 29 Mar 2023
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HappyG(rrr)
I don't know larkim, Fields might be right. Councils charging for parking and so on feels like a money making venture for them. Edinburgh is a nightmare. Wholesale per kWh could be as low as 10p at times, and some chargers are 50p per kWh, so great profit opportunity there! Originally councils *subsidised* EV charging. Here in Scotland it was free until 2021, then last year most councils moved to 15p per kWh, so that is still quite generous. Some are now 30p per kWh, so getting more in line with costs. So, I agree car charging space and councils cost and investment or profit from EV charging are definitely issues.  G
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Mar 2023
9:39am, 29 Mar 2023
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HappyG(rrr)
Sorry, badly worded - my car parking reference was general council money making point. Nothing to do with EVs!
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Mar 2023
9:45am, 29 Mar 2023
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jda
I haven't seen a single square metre of public space round here being given over to charging, but I don't get out much. Some chargers have been installed in existing car parks of course. |
Mar 2023
9:59am, 29 Mar 2023
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ThorntonRunner
"Council money making" = "raising money for essential services that risk being cut due to reduction in government grants to councils". And if we want to reduce private car use, why are we complaining about car park charges? |
Mar 2023
9:59am, 29 Mar 2023
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larkim
I'm not saying there is no profit to be made; otherwise the Instavolt's of this world wouldn't be doing OK. I just don't see that councils are raking it in. No-one pays wholesale price for electricity either, even if you're a business you're paying the marked up prices which are still around 25-30p/kWh. Nonetheless, if they are able to make a turn on it, fair enough. Just don't see it being megabucks for individual councils. |
Mar 2023
9:59am, 29 Mar 2023
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3M
Council Car Parking here in York is eye-wateringly expensive. I've heard people muttering about "Dick Turpin" as they walk away from the payment machines. £2.80 per hour.... democracy.york.gov.uk "Collectively the car parks generate £7m each year, which is an important income stream in funding the wider services provided by the council." There is a strategic intent to "target" additional EV spaces (i.e. in place of ICE spaces). |
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Mar 2023
10:07am, 29 Mar 2023
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HappyG(rrr)
TR, that is a good point. Really, we should be discouraging cars from our city centres and hence high car parking charging is good. And as you say, raises money for essential services. So I'm not saying it's wrong. I was just emphasizing that making a "profit" from EV car charging may well be a council intent, in the same way that car parking charging is! £2.80 is nothing 3M. We are £5.60 per hour in Edinburgh! G
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Mar 2023
10:40am, 29 Mar 2023
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MudMeanderer
Car parking costs a lot to create and maintain. A quick search suggests, depending on exact details it can cost ~£10 000 per space to build for a multi storey, and often in locations where the land has considerable value. This is likely to go up because with increasingly heavy cars, some civil engineering reports are questioning if the standards used historically for parking design leaves them strong enough. |
Mar 2023
11:29am, 29 Mar 2023
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jacdaw
It would be considerably simpler to restrict the size and weight of cars than re-spec parking. But we are in the thrall of our metal masters; bow down and offer your sacrifices.
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Mar 2023
12:11pm, 29 Mar 2023
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HappyG(rrr)
Jacdaw, or any one else, who would you say influences the size of cars? Genuine question. I drive a wee, family sized hatch back. But all cars, even equivalent models, are much bigger now than they were 10 years ago. I don't know what that is. Surely bigger is more expensive, so isn't it harder for car companies to sell them? But they must feel that there is a market for them. The thing I think that drives higher cost cars (whether that is part of bigger or not, I don't know) must be leasing. I see kids (well 20 somethings) driving brand new top end cars, Mercs, BMWs, Audis etc. Presume they didn't have £50K to buy out right, so probably committing £500 a month or more in leasing, never owning. Lots for governments to influence there. |
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