Electric car anyone?
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Jul 2020
1:27pm, 1 Jul 2020
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HappyG(rrr)
Cool Fizz. The fancy S or the more modest but still very sleek 3?  G
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Jul 2020
1:32pm, 1 Jul 2020
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run free
G - would think swapping cars out every 3 years is a "marketing" thing to appeal to the disposable society
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Jul 2020
1:43pm, 1 Jul 2020
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HappyG(rrr)
It def is run free, I agree. But as per lark's response, is there data on whether moving to more efficient or full electric vehicles and environmental benefits of them is worth the environmental cost of the manufacture of new stuff and scrapping of old. It's what drives the capitalist economy, but is it good / bad or neutral for environment? I'm not a rampant consumer, but I do like to drive a car that is reasonably modern, in terms of comfort, safety and convenience. I use(d) public transport for commuting and don't drive much. But I live rurally and couldn't easily survive without a car at all. And I quite like it to be a nice one! G
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Jul 2020
1:46pm, 1 Jul 2020
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Gobi
In other news is Hydrogen on the way back again bbc.co.uk |
Jul 2020
1:53pm, 1 Jul 2020
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Fizz :-)
It’s the model 3, Happy.
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Jul 2020
2:00pm, 1 Jul 2020
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Gobi
very nice Fizz
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Jul 2020
2:00pm, 1 Jul 2020
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rf_fozzy
Happy. It's generally better to run an old car into the ground that buy a new electric one, because the embedded CO2 in making the car, shipping etc, will dwarf the emissions from driving it. This means a 2nd hand car is generally better than a new one too. *However* it depends also on how much mileage you do. This will change as more of the manufacturing process becomes RE powered. A new car every 3 years is pretty wasteful though and probably the worst of all worlds. |
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Jul 2020
2:04pm, 1 Jul 2020
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Gobi
Fozzy - I have a 2003 Motorbike - a 97 van - a 2008 Panda and the Yeti is 3 and is the car we will most likely change - it has done over 84000 miles and would be 100000 if Covid had not happened
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Jul 2020
2:08pm, 1 Jul 2020
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rf_fozzy
Gobi - H2 will have a place. But probably only for heavier vehicles and niche applications (e.g. if you live at high lattitudes). It won't take off mainstream because (a) it's far less efficient than EVs - you've got to take electric to make H2 then move it (using H2 you've just made) then use the H2 to generate electricity to drive a vehicle. And (b) unless you use NatGas (which is how they currently make Hydrogen), you're reliant on periods of excess wind/solar power to generate and thus it's quite expensive. The Natural Gas route is not desirable since it releases CO2 (CH4 + O2 -> CO2 and 2H2, roughly). But this is the reason why H2 has a big lobby behind it - they think we can just shift from using the natural gas to burn to make electricity to using natural gas to make hydrogen -but from a climate point of view, it's probably just as bad a route. |
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Jul 2020
2:13pm, 1 Jul 2020
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HappyG(rrr)
You're right fozzy, while I do need a car where Iive now, I don't then do much mileage (which surely is a good thing, environmentally?!) But I'd like whatever car I drive to be a. not pumping out any emissions and b. a nice one! But if buying/leasing a brand new EV is a "bad" environmental impact and choice, then I'll leave off (and save myself some money!) G
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