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Bazoaxe Aug 2022 12:16pm, 11 Aug 2022 23,321 posts	0 Bazoaxe It seems alternative views are not allowed Given all you say jda do we want to layer on the uncertainty of independence on top. Some do others remain to be convinced.
HappyG(rrr) Aug 2022 4:51pm, 11 Aug 2022 43,289 posts	0 HappyG(rrr) It's 50 50 and that's very divisive. Something g needs to break the deadlock. I don't know what though! G
JRitchie Aug 2022 5:33pm, 11 Aug 2022 3,291 posts	0 JRitchie But its not 50:50 HG. Look at all the polling since 2014. The times yes are ahead and over 50% are few and inconsistent. what is divisive is that there are multiple referendums one way until some point in the future everything aligns in the Yes camp favour for that one moment. And there will never be the opportunity for a referendum back the other way. That is what is truly devisive. en.wikipedia.org
57.5 Degrees of Pain Aug 2022 7:09pm, 11 Aug 2022 9,497 posts	0 57.5 Degrees of Pain But its not 50:50 HG. Look at all the polling since 2014. The times yes are ahead and over 50% are few and inconsistent. what is divisive is that there are multiple referendums one way until some point in the future everything aligns in the Yes camp favour for that one moment. And there will never be the opportunity for a referendum back the other way. That is what is truly devisive. en.wikipedia.org There will be no more referendums once the unionist parties find a way to defeat the SNP in the Scottish parliamentary elections.
JRitchie Aug 2022 8:32pm, 11 Aug 2022 3,292 posts	0 JRitchie You are right 57.5 3x main unionist parties and 1x main nationalist party With 1 policy objective. Which is why it’s the only thing that gets talked about. Unless Glasgow gets Eurovision tomorrow. That will give us some respite.
HappyG(rrr) Aug 2022 11:10am, 12 Aug 2022 43,298 posts	0 HappyG(rrr) Lol JR. I think the folk chatting about union / independence and those interested in Eurovision may be in different Venn sets! What I meant was, whether 45:55, 50:50 or 52:48 is within margins of error = 50/50. What I meant was, very much divided. Just like Brexit actually.
Bazoaxe Aug 2022 11:53am, 12 Aug 2022 23,326 posts	0 Bazoaxe 57.5 is right, but its hard to see how that will happen. The other way it could happen is if the SNP vote splinters. SN holds the iew that SNP will fade post Indy and many people only vote for them as they are the route to get there. If the Indy supporters start to question them a bit more, then there could be change. Until something changes though we are suck in limbo
Surelynot Aug 2022 4:04pm, 12 Aug 2022 2,581 posts	0 Surelynot Bazo - you simplify my view on post-independence party politics in Scotland. In the event of independence, there would be a realignment of parties across the spectrum that recognises the new political reality, in my opinion. There may be a minority view that we should get back into the union at the earliest possibility. Still, most parties would look at the political settlement and address that new reality. There's a country to govern and opportunities for people to manage it. The SNP is a broad church with many ex-Labour voters lending them support. Should a Labour Party emerge that accepts independence and is solely focused on a future programme for governing Scotland, I can see voters returning if it offers a socialist platform. If the Tories present a centre-right, pro-business, pro-small government agenda, I could see them attracting more votes. All of the above could squeeze support for the SNP, who will have, after all, just delivered on their primary political purpose. Things are unlikely to stay as they are. I also think we will see more people attracted to Scottish politics as there are opportunities to run all aspects of the country's government and build a new state. That's an exciting prospect for a lot of people.
Surelynot Aug 2022 4:14pm, 12 Aug 2022 2,582 posts	0 Surelynot Here's an article on all of that. scotsman.com I should also state that I would prefer to see more proportional representation in an independent Scotland so people's votes actually count. What that system would be is up for debate. If it encourages coalitions and compromise, that would not be a bad thing. We have an opporrtunity to break free from a sytem where 40% of the vote gets you an 80 seat majority.
Ally-C Aug 2022 4:31pm, 12 Aug 2022 2,281 posts	0 Ally-C Many people who wouldn’t under any circumstances previously are also lending pro-Union parties their vote too. It works both ways.