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57.5 Degrees of Pain Jul 2022 1:55pm, 13 Jul 2022 9,109 posts	0 57.5 Degrees of Pain Who knew there were Alba Party MPs? The entire history of independence movements would suggest that they morph into the, or at least a, major political party. Power is an addictive thing.
HappyG(rrr) Jul 2022 2:00pm, 13 Jul 2022 42,936 posts	0 HappyG(rrr) If nothing else they'll need to stand on a set of policies that doesn't include "campaigning for Scottish Independence", which will see them become a very different thing.
Ally-C Jul 2022 2:12pm, 13 Jul 2022 2,148 posts	0 Ally-C bbc.co.uk I forgot there are parties other than SNP and Scottish Greens who support Scotland's chance to have another independence debate! G Apparently Hanvey was suspended by the SNP before the election but was on the ballot paper as the SNP candidate.
Bazoaxe Jul 2022 8:02pm, 13 Jul 2022 23,121 posts	0 Bazoaxe My tartan tories was in jest. That said their is a right wing element to the snp who keep quiet as that’s the route to independence. The sturgeon approach being in tatters has a few angles Bain doesn’t believe holyrood can bring a bill forward. This has therefore been referred to the Supreme Court at sturgeons insistence We know they can only rule against it But actually they are more likely to not hear the case until there is a bill to be looked at for legality. And why is that ? Because the precedent comes from the snp using just that argument when one of their members tried a similar ruse last year. So it’s back to Bain, but she knows holyrood doesn’t have competence and so can’t allow the bill to proceed. Where does that leave us, Scotland is denied a democratic voice cries sturgeon. Now actually I do have some sympathy with that point of view. However it’s pretty clear it’s very tight with no looking to have the edge so neither side really wants a referendum now Unfortunately that means we are unresolved and divided for quite some time. Still, the snp think 19/10/23 is going to happen.
jda Jul 2022 8:27pm, 13 Jul 2022 12,983 posts	0 jda Looks like quite a clever plan for them, then? Keeps the issue on the boil, no chance of an embarrassing loss, probably boosts their vote in the next GE. Some tatters!
JRitchie Jul 2022 8:29pm, 13 Jul 2022 3,224 posts	0 JRitchie Thanks for correcting the link a few pages back HG. Came from a friend who is a journalist in Chicago I went to Dundee Uni with (she is essentially an honour my Scot she is ofer so much). I didn’t think the thread was purely indychat. I was going by the thread title but seeing The starting post … maybe thats wrong.
Bazoaxe Jul 2022 8:33pm, 13 Jul 2022 23,122 posts	0 Bazoaxe When’s the independence referendum going to be then jda ? It’s not 19/10/23. It’s not the next GE. So when?
jda Jul 2022 9:11pm, 13 Jul 2022 12,985 posts	0 jda I don't know - shall we have a sweepstake?
Bazoaxe Jul 2022 9:17pm, 13 Jul 2022 23,123 posts	0 Bazoaxe I need to check when fetch is retiring to ensure we will still be here to see who wins What would your guess be? I cannot see one any time soon. 2030+
JRitchie Jul 2022 9:26pm, 13 Jul 2022 3,225 posts	0 JRitchie “. Back on topic. In the squabbling over indyref2, our Dear Leader has said that if she doesn't get her vote she'll make the next Scottish election a referendum on independence and nothing else. Good politics for the SNP I'm sure. But is it any way to run a democracy? “” It’s odd but I though the general election was for voting in members of parliament and it was not a referendum on independence. Perhaps I should deem it to be a game of bingo instead and take my dibber into the booth.