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Aug 2020
3:41pm, 13 Aug 2020
11,138 posts
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rf_fozzy
See now JR, you're reading other stuff into what I've said.
I'm saying specifically that this single method of testing (i.e. thermal measurement) is not sufficiently accurate and so shouldn't solely be used as a method of excluding someone from doing something.
I am suggesting nothing further, so please don't read anything further into it.
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Aug 2020
3:43pm, 13 Aug 2020
12,979 posts
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Ultracat
I suppose we could all go back to the 1950s where things were far from clean, I mean some households had to share a toilet.
What I am saying is not all change is a bad thing.
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Aug 2020
3:44pm, 13 Aug 2020
43,015 posts
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Lip Gloss
Due the flooding a yesterday my grandson’s school didn’t go back yesterday so the Wednesday bubble are now going in with the Friday bubble so twice as many children as they were expecting but I can’t see the difference between tomorrow and Monday when it’s all the kids in full time at the same time.
We check the temperature of any patient coming through our door for an appointment
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Aug 2020
3:48pm, 13 Aug 2020
4,356 posts
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run free
JR - you using an iphone? Have noticed it is inserting words into sentences and the auto-correct goes a bit weird
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Aug 2020
3:49pm, 13 Aug 2020
6,872 posts
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paul the builder
FFS fozzy you're hard to deal with sometimes. Of course 40% false negative is a shit test. But it's not being used a diagnostic test, is it? It's just being used as a simple gatekeeper to try to reduce transmission a bit.
Like being told to stay home from work if you have a new cough, or a fever, or a loss of smell/taste. What "uncertainty", what "error" do you think there is in that self-diagnosis? Fcking loads. So some people might stay at home who didn't need to. But less people come to work with Covid. Seems reasonable.
We're not talking about capital punishment here. Just whether to get on a bus (or come to work).
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Aug 2020
3:50pm, 13 Aug 2020
7,513 posts
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Too Much Water
Bus shelter won’t let you board bus. You scanNed with your bus card, it links to your government record, you are removed from your job and accommodation as an undesirable. Your ability to get any financial services disappears.
Coming soon to Distopia. I can understand why people want to live far away from government interference and defend themselves against the malevolence of the government and corporations
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Aug 2020
3:53pm, 13 Aug 2020
6,873 posts
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paul the builder
South Korea is already quite far away; how much further do you want to get? 
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Aug 2020
3:56pm, 13 Aug 2020
7,514 posts
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Too Much Water
As far as possible, particularly from ex in-laws
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Aug 2020
4:00pm, 13 Aug 2020
11,139 posts
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rf_fozzy
PtB - but *it is* being used as a diagnostic test that *is* preventing you from doing something - in this case getting on a bus.
And you are forgetting the false positive effect too.
If I remember rightly, if the errors in each direction are big enough, you're actually more likely to be effective by randomly rejecting every other person. (this isn't right, but there is a statistical thing that says a random choice is more effective than a method with significant errors in both directions).
Now TMW is being overly dramatic with his dystopian vision (which is also nonsense). But there are consequences to using this type of testing - ok if it stops me diving or going for a run or whatever, the consequences are largely irrelevant. But what happens if the bus stop stops me getting on a bus that takes me to work. And then I get fired from said job because the bus won't take me to work?
So, my point is that when people start thinking that this is *a good thing* we are massively overlooking the efficacy when we don't understand the uncertainty.
I wish people understood uncertainity much better.
There'd be no climate change "debate" if that were the case and we'd be well on the way to be able to curb CO2 emissions to keep us under 1C (not even close to 1.5 or even 2C)
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Aug 2020
4:00pm, 13 Aug 2020
6,874 posts
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paul the builder
That's a sentiment lots of us can get behind
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