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Jul 2020
4:00pm, 11 Jul 2020
16,192 posts
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Sharkie
Not mandatory in England yet apart from on public transport.
Advised in shops and busy indoors places.
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Jul 2020
4:02pm, 11 Jul 2020
16,193 posts
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Sharkie
I'm braving a mainline train then the tube on Monday.
Well, no bravery involved tbh. I feel a bit apprehensive about the tube, but it will be middle of the day and shouldn't be busy.
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Jul 2020
4:37pm, 11 Jul 2020
6,332 posts
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Fragile Do Not Bend
The media are speculating that masks in some indoor spaces will become mandatory in England soon.
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Jul 2020
4:47pm, 11 Jul 2020
2,916 posts
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um
Seems that keeping distance has stopped for the cyclists I saw today. Mainly tourist types on NF cycle paths. Where walkers, and cyclists, up to a few weeks ago passed with exagerated distance, now they seem to zip past (or crawl slowly if going up the hill) within a meter.
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Jul 2020
5:18pm, 11 Jul 2020
12,909 posts
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Ultracat
In local butchers, everyone wearing masks apart from shop assistants, apparently due to them using sharp knives they are exempt according to notices. Shop assistants in coop wore full length visors rather than masks.
For interest is there any advise on how long can you wear a cloth mask before you need to wash them, are they hand washed or just put in with the rest of your wash. Someone suggested as often as you would change your underwear, sound about right.
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Jul 2020
5:30pm, 11 Jul 2020
20,182 posts
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Dvorak
Four days then, UC? Two days, then another two inside out 
Officially, wash after every use, at 60°C. I don't recommend hand-washing at 60 - burny-burny. Which also means that here they couldn't go in the "normal" wash, which is done at 30°. My puzzlement is - if hot (not scalding) water and soap is adequate for hands, as the soap breaks up the virus particles, why not for a mask?
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Jul 2020
5:35pm, 11 Jul 2020
27,942 posts
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macca 53
Good question Dvorak
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Jul 2020
5:35pm, 11 Jul 2020
47,547 posts
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Velociraptor
Ours will just go in the 40 degree wash with everything else.
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Jul 2020
5:41pm, 11 Jul 2020
2,918 posts
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um
I have seen, but can't easily find it, confirmation that hand washing in soap/detergent etc will kill off the covid, at any temperature.
But I guess a fast mask/covering will catch all sorts, whether ingoing or outgoing, and 60°C is the safe response.
I'd also factor in the type of wear. eg <5 mins in and out of a local shop with only you & the server, vs 1 hour on a busy tube or somewhere packed.
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Jul 2020
5:46pm, 11 Jul 2020
27,943 posts
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macca 53
I think (in the very early days of this thread) there were lots of posts from Flatlander and Canute on the mechanism of soap/detergent destroying a lipid shell around the virus and inactivating it.
If singing happy birthday twice while washing your hands in hot water (anything over 45-50 is *uncomfortably* hot) is enough to perform that function then surely logically it would do the same in a 50 degree wash quite easily, but maybe (and here we need an expert view!) 20-30 minutes in a 30 degree wash cycle would be as effective??
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