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Feb 2021
10:24am, 2 Feb 2021
13,394 posts
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larkim
My children can't hug their grandparents, despite both parties wanting to do this because there's risk associated. Two adult climbers who want to climb BN in winter should choose not to because there is a magnitude higher level of risk associated with it.
Some accidents are simply unavoidable in the context of keeping healthy, fed, mentally well. e.g. walking in a park and tripping over a tree root. Some accidents are entirely avoidable and absolutely unnecessary e.g. winter climbing on BN. My opinion, and I appreciate if you live withiin 5m of BN you are allowed to do it. But you shouldn't.
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Feb 2021
10:25am, 2 Feb 2021
22,801 posts
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EvilPixie
It’s not a covid thing fines are given for “worse” rule breaking
I recall a few years ago that someone killed a small child n a car that wasn’t insured or taxed and he had no license (wasn’t even supposed to be in the country!)
He got slapped for the tax as that was the harshes thing he could be done for
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Feb 2021
10:44am, 2 Feb 2021
21 posts
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Fopp
But people climbing mountains isn't a Covid risk. If you have 10 million people legally circulating to keep the economy going, that's where your transmission will be. If you accept that you need to keep the economy running then you shouldn't be worried about the odd scallywag tripping on a rock. Life's too short not to hug your loved ones in my opinion.
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Feb 2021
10:47am, 2 Feb 2021
3,272 posts
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Tim of Fife
Larkim
Where do you draw the line, assuming people are exercising within their health region, etc?
A walk in the park is OK. Climbing a mountain isn't OK. What about me and others walking the rocky coastal parks and beaches. Or the muddy woodland paths? Or someone coastal swimming, solo sailing, kite surfing or paddle boarding?
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Feb 2021
10:52am, 2 Feb 2021
8,010 posts
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Too Much Water
I wonder how it works for me, as I have no fixed abode. I am yet to find a landlord who will rent to someone with less than 6 months service at a job or not working - I do not claim any benefits. They demand a guarantor which I cannot provide as I am nearly 40 for gods sake and have a 6 figure sum in cash from which I can pay rent.
Therefore my abode is a series of fluctuating Airbnb’s. My ID / drivers license etc is all for my old house in Reading but I do not live there anymore. Better hope I don’t get stopped by the local constabulary!
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Feb 2021
10:52am, 2 Feb 2021
13,395 posts
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larkim
In the grand scheme of things, I'm not worried about it. Numerically it will add little to the overall risk.
But it's the accumulation of many different higher risk activities which turn into a broader burden. And as HG says, we all have to do something of a risk assessement understanding our own capabilities. We should all be aiming for lower risk lives temporarily in all aspects of what we do, within reason. That's what we do to relieve burdens on the NHS.
It's not just about avoiding covid transmission risks, is it?
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Feb 2021
10:58am, 2 Feb 2021
13,396 posts
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larkim
Tim - I agree, finding that sweet spot is incredibly dfficult. But if you can find a more risky legal past-time in the UK that is currently allowed other than winter climbing on the highest peak in the UK, I'll be impressed. It is at the extreme end, is it not? Perhaps horse-riding is the only thing which comes close?
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Feb 2021
10:58am, 2 Feb 2021
2,457 posts
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Cheg
Slightly off topic but still around it. What is the thinking with the 5 miles from home in Scotland or the stay local message in England?
Previously with tiers it felt like if you were in area of low infection why risk travelling to area of high and bringing it back? Or if in a high infection area you are more likely to have it even if asymptomatic and so then take it to those poor guys in the low infection area?
I do get the stay local thing. I am Rayleigh if you know Essex and we used to take our girls to Chelmsford 15 miles away to lovely big park. Really good play area and decent size for a walk. I've now steered wife away from that and we have a little trip out on their scooters to their local far inferior park.
The big park is more crowded but it is bigger so not sure how much less exposure we are really getting at the local park, particularly on a nice sunny day when people are out and about.
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Feb 2021
11:05am, 2 Feb 2021
13,397 posts
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larkim
I suspect it's to give some framework to people's thinking otherwise it would be entirely unarguable that going for a leisurely walk on the beach at Dunstanburgh would be a perfectly plausible bit of exercise for someone living in Stoke. It does act to reduce nationwide transmission in the event of a new variant arising locally too, but I doubt in practice that that is a meanigful impact.
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Feb 2021
11:08am, 2 Feb 2021
14,187 posts
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MarkyMarkMark (3M)
I know in the weeks before the November lockdown there was lots of chatter in the local press about people from higher tiers (3 & 4) visiting our "safe" T2 city. A lot of the locals were avoiding the city centre anyway since at the time it had one of the rates than the suburbs! There may have been some truth in the accusation since the rate in York then "spiked" above that of the rest of Yorkshire!
The very large open space of the Knavesmire now has more people on it, regularly, than I've ever seen in 30 years! (Apart from parkrun mornings, of course  )
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