Autism
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Jun 2019
9:02pm, 15 Jun 2019
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Columba
Some of you might be interested in this: redcap.idhs.ucl.ac.uk It was posted on EPNET (educational psychologists' network) by a trainee educational psychologist. |
Jul 2019
11:24pm, 3 Jul 2019
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decorum
The rather socially 'ockerd' ASD scout I've mentioned a few times in the past couple of years ... has now been made an Assistant Patrol Leader. Nothing new to us, but I thought it might be heartening for some on this line of chat. Actually ... two of our new APL's are ASD. And I can see both doing a cracking job and moving up  Talk about 'flip top head' smiles. Both have worked hard, neither thought they were in the running
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Jul 2019
6:49am, 4 Jul 2019
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halfpint
That’s lovely.
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Jul 2019
9:54am, 4 Jul 2019
3,575 posts
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decorum
He's worked flippin'ard for it . He'd been having issues at school and had been grounded, so his 'punishment' also meant that wasn't allowed to come to scouts until his behaviour improved ~ we hadn't spoken to the family about giving him added responsibilities within the troop. So his attitude had improved prior to getting his stripe. Apparently his behaviour and attitude at school is very much improved ~ not bad for a kid who, initially, went home every scout night swearing that he wasn't coming back The other lad on the spectrum who's also recently been made up to APL had to be split from his best scouting buddy ... to be honest both of them thought we were punishing them ~ even with being told that they'd done nothing wrong and that we wanted them in different patrols because we wanted them as 'influencers' for others to follow ... ... we'd not told either that they were being made up, huge grins when we told them where they should stand during flag break [We support the various roles within the troop, regardless of age ~ if you've got 'Leader' somewhere in your troop role then you're considered part of the Leadership Team . And if you haven't, then you're gently reminded that you could be ...]
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Jul 2019
10:04am, 4 Jul 2019
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halfpint
That whole para about behaviour in school and ‘punishment’ makes me squirm. A lot of the time the behaviour is a sign they aren’t coping with something and we need to work out how to support them. The rest of the time it’s because they don’t have the skills we’re asking them to use and we need to work out how to support them to develop them.
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Jul 2019
11:15am, 4 Jul 2019
3,577 posts
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decorum
Poorly phrased by me, sorry. Knowing the family and how supportive they are, it would have had to have been very much a last resort, one which he'd have been told was coming more than a few times. He was copying anti-social behaviour to try to fit in. Which, given his age, is quite normal. It was becoming a vicious circle ~ he knew he was 'doing wrong' and he felt guilty for it, but felt compelled to copy, 'to fit in' and be accepted. And the feeling that 'misbehaving' was something he _had_ to do was pulling him all ways . He continues to get away with some minor rebellious stuff that he firmly believes his family to be blissfully unaware of
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Jul 2019
9:01am, 5 Jul 2019
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Jono.
half pints right concerning 'punishment' but correcting the behavior of a child on the spectrum is difficult and possibly becomes more difficult as they become older. Joe is 16, nearly as tall as me and imposing, you can't tell him to go to his room or stop his pocket money - me and his mom spend a lot of time talking to him, trying to reason and discuss issues - although he still believes a speech therapist has stolen a DVD he is waiting for (it arrived next day) and that she stabbed him in the hand, threatened our cats, and call molly J's BF's nephew (baby Archie)ugly. He quietly admits to his mom that he's made it all up. Joe is going into 6th form next term, staying at his present school, school is something we do not talk about, it was a pleasure to read - he's on track to achieve his exams, teachers say he's a pleasure to teach, he's polite, he works hard. so something is going right, somewhere. |
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Jul 2019
10:13am, 5 Jul 2019
3,578 posts
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decorum
[The use of punishment was incorrect and poorly chosen. I know what I want/need to say to explain what I mean but it's coming out of my fingers a bit ineptly. It works for him and them, I just can't term it correctly ] We were missing an APL last night. So we asked a lad who messes about a bit too much if he'd like to take on the role for the evening ... he still messed about a bit too much, but as he keeps showing signs of wanting additional responsibility/ies within the troop it has to be tried . He shows signs of being on the spectrum but hasn't been tested ... hopefully we can build his confidence He came in off the streets ~ at the insistence of his mum who, basically, wanted us to fix him and his lack of social skills ... (Hateful term, and yes, parents do use that term 'fix' . We don't fix anyone! Initially he hated it. (Well, that's what he told his mum, we saw the smiles and heard the laughter ) Then we had to insist that he get a uniform and be invested or he'd have to leave (we are a uniformed association so, unless there's a sensory issue or similar, we have to insist). So he, begrudgingly got a uniform and was invested (Again, we saw the pride and grins ... he was still telling his mum he hated it ... ) Now he kinda begrudgingly does what his PL and APL ask ... but then wants tasks he wants to do ... And he was first back with his form and deposit for group summer camp ... He won't tell his mum if he _needs_ something. He needs boots for working with woods tools and tasks (as well as hikes), but missed out on doing stuff on his first camp because he didn't have them. He'd not been with us long, a couple of weeks at most. Last night, not knowing whether he's got boots *now* ... I collared his mum. He hasn't, but will have *very* soon . He's gaining his voice and is more inclined to look you in the face But his head still goes down and he goes very quiet, as soon as his family are around. But not as much and not instantly. |
Jul 2019
10:50am, 5 Jul 2019
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Velociraptor
The expectation that I should be "more strict" with Kevin and VP at home in response to issues that were only apparent at school used to do my head in. This was possibly not helped by a tradition of child psychology textbooks stating that when children misbehaved at/refused to attend school it meant there were problems at home, not that there were aspects of the school set-up that the child couldn't tolerate. Looking back, Kevin got a raw deal initially because I didn't question this nonsense much when she was very young and we didn't have a diagnosis (she appeared to be a "normal" intelligent child with a variable and sometimes terrifying capacity for antisocial behaviour), and because she was the oldest and had the weight of parental expectations. |
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Jul 2019
11:34am, 5 Jul 2019
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halfpint
We still have some education staff who subscribe to the view that it’s all the parents fault. If they misbehave at school it’s because the parents are inadequate and if they kick off at home it’s because the parents are inadequate. I try to be an advocate for families as well as the kids.
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