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Dec 2022
12:35am, 16 Dec 2022
19,422 posts
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geordie the red nosed reindeer
Lol Roo I thought that too.
Mine have largely been forgiven one very much so. Mischievous one less so.
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Dec 2022
3:51am, 16 Dec 2022
76 posts
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craig6p
In response to one of the 'confessions', I'd really like trans people to be welcome and respected. That would include being able to take part in a festive challenge and more without finding yet more shoehorned content that is in effect antagonistic towards them, which they're already subjected to continuously elsewhere online, in media, at work and on the streets, which is piled on top of discrimination, bullying, harassment and more.
Far from a systemic silencing of debate or even blatantly anti-trans rhetoric, TERF voices are being heard loud and clear, repeatedly, especially in relation to the voices of trans people subject to violence as a result.
Fascism was also mentioned. The way violent movements are able to rally support and the way fascist governments come to power is by having 'other' sections of society to identify as 'their' enemy and to blame as a cause of social issues. When suspicion, worry, blame, hysteria, disdain is exacerbated against an identity group, all kinds of violence against that group become more frequent and severe as a result. Inadvertently feeding into or ignoring the fascist politics of 'us' versus 'them' is something to be really concerned about with regards the wellbeing and safety of trans people.
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Dec 2022
6:36am, 16 Dec 2022
9,892 posts
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Hark the heRAEld angels sing
Excellent points, craig6p.
TERFy types are very rarely murdered for existing, as far as I'm aware, and though I doubt any stats have been collected I'd be willing to be suicide rates amongst them would be significantly lower than amongst trans people.
Yet somehow they often a notable victim complex.
I'm really sad that someone has turned what was intended as a fun and harmless forgiveness based challenge into a way to anonymously alienate and exclude Fetchies and their families.
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Dec 2022
6:39am, 16 Dec 2022
17,560 posts
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jennywren
I’m starting to dislike this game quite a bit 
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Dec 2022
6:52am, 16 Dec 2022
77 posts
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craig6p
*Some clarification while I have time, since people will understand that in different ways.
I wrote it to express care and support for trans people.
I'm not here to discuss whether or how someone announcing they're a TERF will or should be taken as unwelcoming to trans people. There are bound to be people here who won't see it that way. The way persuasion works depends a lot on how you perceive the other person rather than the content of their argument, so online debates with people you barely know are mostly unproductive and can easily be counterproductive (maybe useful for a third audience, people lurking).
It's not an attempt to shame the person who wrote it, or people who would write similar things.
If everyone can think about the effect of what they might type, considering the hostile environment trans people are faced with, that's the first thing I would encourage. Failing that, it's probably good if others voice their support for trans people, if they feel able to.
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Dec 2022
6:54am, 16 Dec 2022
40,063 posts
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Pinks
I too was upset by the TERF confession. More than upset.
Also upset by the person who then confessed to feeling unable to talk about their trans child. If they're reading this and want to talk then fmail me.
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Dec 2022
7:18am, 16 Dec 2022
28,527 posts
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fetcheveryone
I also felt for the person who said that they were struggling after the death of their mum. I just want to say that it's ok to admit this - I know lots of Fetchies who have gone through it, and there is nothing but support for anything shared.
I've now closed the confessions page and will be deleting the confessions once I have processed the calendar tickets today. The game was intended as a way to share mostly harmless secrets, but it seems that it took on a more serious tone with recent posts.
I've no issue with anyone talking about any of the issues raised, so I hope no-one sees this as me attempting to close down a debate. Our forum is generally a very respectful* place to share and debate - and there may well already be threads that discuss these things. Of course, if no such thread exists, do feel free to start one. And if you feel that there are things you want to say, but can only do so anonymously, get in touch with me and I'll see what I can do to help.
*I just looked. 13 posts removed in 2022, out of 429,708 made - and several of these were removed at the request of a regretful poster.
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Dec 2022
7:41am, 16 Dec 2022
4,413 posts
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Minnie Mad
I think the important part of confession which might have got lost in one or two of the posts is repentance. Several people said that they were ashamed of what they did, or knew it was wrong but did it anyway, even if it was petty rather than out and out nasty. I confessed to my naughtyness,, which shall for ever remain within the Fetch confessionals, and I know it was wrong - although I’m still secretly not as sorry as I should be! 😀
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Dec 2022
7:49am, 16 Dec 2022
15,736 posts
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Mandymoo
Mine was true and you lot didn't forgive me 🫣
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Dec 2022
8:02am, 16 Dec 2022
6,919 posts
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westmoors
Now the page is closed, I don't know if I was forgiven or not!
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