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Sep 2014
9:13am, 16 Sep 2014
30,879 posts
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Velociraptor
There are, Rosehip, and more are coming out for next season so there might be some bargains to be had if you wait and watch 
I'm a convert to soft flasks instead of normal bottles or bladders.
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Sep 2014
9:18am, 16 Sep 2014
68 posts
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idle_wilder
Think I better keep an eye on this thread! I've just done my first ultra distance (40 miles), but it was in a 12 hour race, round a 4 mile loop. This WAS going to be my main race to aim for, but then I entered Glen Ogle 33 on a whim, which is on Nov 1st (read: entries opened, were selling like hotcakes, was seeing everyone's posts on FB - I panicked after a few wines & entered, thinking I'd never get in - I did).
So I've now got just over 6 weeks - complete rest last week, back to a few gym classes this week, then first run back will be tailrunner at parkrun on Sat (tops of feet have been feeling a bit over-used). I'm reckoning on trying to keep 3-4 runs going in the next few weeks, and doing one longer run of about marathon distance a couple of weeks out from GO33 - does this seem ok?
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Sep 2014
9:19am, 16 Sep 2014
3,434 posts
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Northern Exile
What was it that Hef said in his blog about soft flasks? "Disturbingly flaccid" as I recall
I know just what he means.
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Sep 2014
9:20am, 16 Sep 2014
30,881 posts
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Velociraptor
That sounds good, idle_wilder You've got the fitness, obviously, and for the next six weeks the most important things are making sure you get to the start at Glen Ogle rested and recovered but without your body flipping into off-season mode. Your plan should get you there.
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Sep 2014
9:22am, 16 Sep 2014
12,532 posts
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Derby Tup
The bit about entering on-line "after a few wines" seems to show you've entered the world of the ultra fully now Training sounds sensible although I'd be minded to do a couple of say 12 to 18 milers too before GO33
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Sep 2014
9:25am, 16 Sep 2014
442 posts
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Shred Betty
Hmmm, not sure about a bacon boat - I'm a veggie!
I agree about backpack/race vest - I can run with a backpack but it does bounce about a bit (I use a camelback for commuting) but my race vest is way more comfortable! I've got one of the Nathan ones (the vapour shape I think) and I'd say I'm more of a curvy persuasion and there's plenty of adjustability to make it fit. I like being able to use a bladder and a bottle so I can use energy drink or juice in one and water in the other. Not sure who thought white was a good colour for a running vest though!
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Sep 2014
9:33am, 16 Sep 2014
30,882 posts
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Velociraptor
Aye, colour matters! Mine's girly-girly light blue/turquoise and clashes with every garment I own. I chose it after trying on KinkyS's - Kinky's about my height but slimmer than I am, and I reckoned that if she could get it to fit close enough not to bounce, I'd have no problem.
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Sep 2014
10:15am, 16 Sep 2014
69 posts
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idle_wilder
Thanks V'Rap & DT - the 3/4 runs a week would include a speed session and a longer run of at least 10-12 miles+, with last long run being Culloden 17.46k the week before, but max. long run being about 26 miles. Know I have to be careful to stay in one piece and healthy! The gym classes are definitely helping - was especially glad of the Abs classes during Glenmore, as I think the downhill would have ruined my core otherwise!!
I've got one of the Nathan vests - love how adjustable it is, and I generally have hi-5 in bladder, and juice in the bottle (and a huge sandwich bag of jelly babies in the other front pocket )
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Sep 2014
10:26am, 16 Sep 2014
12,533 posts
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Derby Tup
Nice schedule of running etc the i_w 
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Sep 2014
11:12am, 16 Sep 2014
22,770 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Idle_wilder - GO33 is 31.5 miles, mostly flat and good surfaces. It's really just a "marathon and a bit". You'll storm it, like you did G12. No additional training required, just tick over til then (seems to be what a lot of the ultra old hands do - multiple events, varying distances, just ticking over between).
I can't do it like that. I have to have one autumn and one spring target and design all my training around that. But then,I'm anal! Don't get me wrong, I enjoy races in the build up and just doing events for the social etc. but it has to be part of an overall structure and a goal to improve at the next target event. My next one is now June 2015 (if I get in) and I'm trying to work out how best to structure my training for that.
I have now done 6 ultras (inc one 4 years ago Devil O Highlands 42 miles, with 5 in last 12 months - Speyside 36, GO33, Dee33, Fling 53 and G24 (hrs, not miles - 105 miles!) I still consider myself a beginner! There is def something about time to build up the resilience and strength to survive these things. I'm often amazed at how well some of the guys who have been doing it 5 or more years bounce back from a big event, to do another one just weeks later.
Like you, I haven't run since G24 - I expect to be off another week. I am just doing gym, swim and will get on bike in a bit. Achilles and ankles are still a bit battered.
So... for those who are interested in a 9 month build up and the long view - what would you recommend? I'm thinking something like this:
First 2-3 months - recover and speed: keep it mostly short (under 20 miles) and do some quicker stuff - tempos, intervals, XC races etc.
Middle 2-3 months - build up distance again, and build in hill work (my target race is 95 miles, 14,700ft - not a mountain race, but undulating - can you guess which one?!) I need strength as well as endurance.
Last 2-3 months - shorter ultras as prep (of kit, fitness, attitude etc.)
Final 1 month: at least 1 month of full rest, taper, no race over 26.2 in the final 5 weeks (rules out that Cateran - 55 miles and 5 weeks before, I just don't think I'd recover well enough). I benefit from severe taper (it's an age thing?!) and even 2 and 3 weeks of zero or very little running have helped not hindered me in key races in the past (e.g. a cold before VLM and 2 week complete rest prescribed by physio before Lochaber).
The backward bit there is speed in the first section - this comes from the Wolfgang Olbrich book Ultra Marathon Training, which says you are building up big distance in middle and latter phases, you can't expect to do speed at same time. Interesting theory.
Any comments/recommendations? Gratefully received. G
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