Polarized training

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9:44am, 17 Oct 2016
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Chrisull
Just spotted this, and I know Ed Whitlock has been discussed big time on this thread before, and now a world record marathon for an 85 year old...wow:

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11:07am, 17 Oct 2016
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Hills of Death (HOD)
Holy shit
SPR
Oct 2016
11:50am, 17 Oct 2016
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SPR
What interesting is you see the effect age has he holds the 75 and 80 records.
SPR
Oct 2016
11:51am, 17 Oct 2016
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SPR
Actually he has the 70 as well.
Oct 2016
12:28pm, 18 Oct 2016
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Chrisull
Must admit I went back and read some of Canute's blogs/stuff on polarisation, and I hadn't twigged that it's very much for those that have plateaued. As I have hit the plateau (well worse, plateau leading to a small regression), I think it's time I bit the bullet and fully followed a polarised scheme. I'm proposing my polarised runs are done at 75% HR avg, and the max I'm allowing myself is 80% on hills (which is still probably too high effort in some books, but I have limited time at lunch, and I'm surrounded bu hills and 9.30-10.00 pace means I can still get 6 miles done), and these runs must take up 60-80% of the week. I would prefer if they were 80-90% but I have coaching/leading commitments to lead an 8-9 minute mile group, and that can't be done at a polarised pace the whole time. Let's see how it goes!
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6:31pm, 22 Oct 2016
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SPR
I'll be surprised if this has been posted before but the manipulation of training section is interesting: sportsci.org

Chris: I forgot that I had screenprinted the five zones and uploaded here, see below:


Remember this is about aerobic training.
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Oct 2016
6:34pm, 22 Oct 2016
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SPR
In the manipulation of training section the polarisation is getting close to 90% with over 80% in zone 1.
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Oct 2016
6:38pm, 22 Oct 2016
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SPR
Chris - Re your question about your marathon time being out of line with the rest of your times, this might be of interest.

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Oct 2016
6:52pm, 22 Oct 2016
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zp
This is great, SPR. I'm kinda new to polarised training - ie I've not yet started - but can definitely see the benefits. Thanks for the links.

I'm moving down from ultra marathon training (target race 105 miles, ~7000m ascent) to far more sensible fell race training (target race 15 miles, ~1700m ascent), so I see no reason not to start throwing faster stuff in, although still need to read up a bit on the best way to do so :)

I think my main concern with this kind of training is hills: I have a lot of them here (which I love) but, like yourself, causes issues training to a HR percentage. I don't want to avoid them completely (which would basically mean limiting myself to the old disused railway), but also appreciate they make easy runs much less easy. And of course, my target race is very hilly, so (surely?!) hills in training shouldn't be feared :)

I've only recently got my old HR out - I now have a resting HR and an iffy max HR reading (hollow legs on the day probably limited me before heart) - but want to see how far some more scientific training gets me. Will pop out again Monday and try for a more accurate MHR.
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7:01pm, 22 Oct 2016
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Velociraptor
I've just been reading Jason Koop's book about ultramarathon training, and he makes the point that the HRM is a poor tool for measuring training stress on off-road and hilly runs (particularly if there are technical descents, for heart rate will underestimate the work done) and in this situation it's preferable to use RPE.

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

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This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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