Polarized training
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Oct 2016
9:44am, 17 Oct 2016
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Chrisull
Just spotted this, and I know Ed Whitlock has been discussed big time on this thread before, and now a world record marathon for an 85 year old...wow: twitter.com |
Oct 2016
11:07am, 17 Oct 2016
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Hills of Death (HOD)
Holy shit
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Oct 2016
11:50am, 17 Oct 2016
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SPR
What interesting is you see the effect age has he holds the 75 and 80 records.
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Oct 2016
11:51am, 17 Oct 2016
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SPR
Actually he has the 70 as well.
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Oct 2016
12:28pm, 18 Oct 2016
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Chrisull
Must admit I went back and read some of Canute's blogs/stuff on polarisation, and I hadn't twigged that it's very much for those that have plateaued. As I have hit the plateau (well worse, plateau leading to a small regression), I think it's time I bit the bullet and fully followed a polarised scheme. I'm proposing my polarised runs are done at 75% HR avg, and the max I'm allowing myself is 80% on hills (which is still probably too high effort in some books, but I have limited time at lunch, and I'm surrounded bu hills and 9.30-10.00 pace means I can still get 6 miles done), and these runs must take up 60-80% of the week. I would prefer if they were 80-90% but I have coaching/leading commitments to lead an 8-9 minute mile group, and that can't be done at a polarised pace the whole time. Let's see how it goes!
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Oct 2016
6:31pm, 22 Oct 2016
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SPR
I'll be surprised if this has been posted before but the manipulation of training section is interesting: sportsci.org Chris: I forgot that I had screenprinted the five zones and uploaded here, see below: Remember this is about aerobic training. |
Oct 2016
6:34pm, 22 Oct 2016
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SPR
In the manipulation of training section the polarisation is getting close to 90% with over 80% in zone 1.
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Oct 2016
6:38pm, 22 Oct 2016
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SPR
Chris - Re your question about your marathon time being out of line with the rest of your times, this might be of interest. |
Oct 2016
6:52pm, 22 Oct 2016
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zp
This is great, SPR. I'm kinda new to polarised training - ie I've not yet started - but can definitely see the benefits. Thanks for the links. I'm moving down from ultra marathon training (target race 105 miles, ~7000m ascent) to far more sensible fell race training (target race 15 miles, ~1700m ascent), so I see no reason not to start throwing faster stuff in, although still need to read up a bit on the best way to do so I think my main concern with this kind of training is hills: I have a lot of them here (which I love) but, like yourself, causes issues training to a HR percentage. I don't want to avoid them completely (which would basically mean limiting myself to the old disused railway), but also appreciate they make easy runs much less easy. And of course, my target race is very hilly, so (surely?!) hills in training shouldn't be feared I've only recently got my old HR out - I now have a resting HR and an iffy max HR reading (hollow legs on the day probably limited me before heart) - but want to see how far some more scientific training gets me. Will pop out again Monday and try for a more accurate MHR. |
Oct 2016
7:01pm, 22 Oct 2016
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Velociraptor
I've just been reading Jason Koop's book about ultramarathon training, and he makes the point that the HRM is a poor tool for measuring training stress on off-road and hilly runs (particularly if there are technical descents, for heart rate will underestimate the work done) and in this situation it's preferable to use RPE.
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