Oct 2016
7:07pm, 22 Oct 2016
49 posts
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zp
I wonder if he wrote that after seeing me make a massive effort coming down at a snail's pace over the bouldery nonsense off Scafell Pike
It's a good point though, V'rap, thanks. I guess I've spent too much time reading 'A coaching thread' and worrying that RPE is often a poor substitute for HR. Perhaps time to make like an ostrich and stick head in the sand. Or just go and run.
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Oct 2016
7:08pm, 22 Oct 2016
50 posts
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zp
I can probably find some happy medium between HR and RPE, I guess: try and refine my RPE using HR on sensible routes. That seems a sensible starting point.
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Oct 2016
7:19pm, 22 Oct 2016
2,411 posts
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Ninky Nonk
Lol at rpe being a poor substitute for hr.
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Oct 2016
7:24pm, 22 Oct 2016
34,732 posts
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Velociraptor
The point made on the coaching thread was a valid one - there are lots of pitfalls in assessing RPE, and it's all too tempting, for example, to call a run an easy run because it was slow when a HRM would have shown that it wasn't easy at all, it was as hard as you were capable of running on that occasion.
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Oct 2016
7:25pm, 22 Oct 2016
51 posts
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zp
Sorry, maybe I didn't phrase that correctly, NN! I meant that I'd gotten the impression that inexperienced runners can often think a run is easy (ie low RPE) while their HR data says otherwise .. but maybe I've misunderstood.
I ditched HR in favour of RPE a few years ago, but am now questioning whether HR is worthwhile - ie have I been underestimating how hard a run is?
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Oct 2016
7:27pm, 22 Oct 2016
52 posts
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zp
That's what I was getting at I think, V'rap
NN - checked your profile! From the times you run, I guess you have a fairly solid handle on RPE vs HR. I'm - well - a bit slower
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Oct 2016
7:28pm, 22 Oct 2016
34,733 posts
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Velociraptor
I also ditched HR in favour of RPM, and never looked back.
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Oct 2016
7:32pm, 22 Oct 2016
22,899 posts
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SPR
Vrap - I can see how it would underestimate work done on descents but it surely still works on uphill?
ZP - The coaching thread is right especially for those that don't have experience of RPE in relation to HR. How this relates to fells and trails though, I don't know. Is all your training on fells and trails? I like you just dusted of my HR strap on Wednesday and used it to ensure I ran easy. It's not that I didn't know how to run easy, it's just that when I felt fresh I'd run faster, so I had some 9mm runs, but then they'd be other high 7mm low 8mm runs which potentially weren't easy by HR. (EDIT or what Vrap said).
Basically without the HR your variations in conditioning might be overlooked so what was easy 6 months ago might not be easy now.
Chris is the one with the hill problem not me. I run undulating routes but don't have an issue really. Below 70% at all time might mean slowing on hills a little more than I would normally but 75% would be easy. My training is all on road apart from bits I'd do on track.
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Oct 2016
7:32pm, 22 Oct 2016
22,900 posts
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SPR
...if we had a track that is!
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Oct 2016
7:34pm, 22 Oct 2016
34,734 posts
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Velociraptor
SPR, yes, there's no reason why HRM wouldn't be an excellent way of measuring effort going uphill or judging recoveries on hill reps.
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