May 2016
5:54pm, 12 May 2016
285 posts
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J2R
HOD, I tend to think in terms of working heart rate, rather than absolute maximum heart rate. But in MHR terms, what I posted just now in the 'Heart Rate' thread is relevant: "FWIW, going by Pfitzinger's definition of recovery pace as mentioned by Huntsman above (below 76% MHR), pretty well all my easy runs are recovery runs. In fact most of them are below 73-74% MHR, and often below 70% MHR. A run I was thinking of specifically as a recovery run would probably be 65-70% MHR. "
GlennR, I think Canute would perhaps take issue with your suggestion that the tempo isn't necessary. I don't think it's ruled out in polarized training, just given far less importance than in some other training ideas. I think it's recommended that you do some tempo runs, or something akin to tempo runs, as a kind of race pace training as race day approaches. I'm not bothering with them at all at the moment, though, because it's a very busy time of the year for races, with at least one a week and sometimes two (a Wednesday evening 5K, 5 miler or 10K as well as weekend races). While there are two races a week, I'm not doing any other speedwork either and just running really easy on the non-race days.
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May 2016
9:14pm, 12 May 2016
19,146 posts
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GlennR
J2R, Canute can speak for himself once he resurfaces.
This is something he posted as a comment on my blog a while back, after I'd been doing a set of cruise intervals:
"My main reservation about tempo training is that sustaining threshold pace for 20 minute or more is relatively stressful and as a result the ratio of benefit to stress is less favourable than with many other types of training. However, I think cruise intervals achieve simiilar benefit with less stress."
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May 2016
9:59am, 13 May 2016
286 posts
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J2R
We're probably saying much the same thing, then, GlennR. I was thinking of tempo runs as meaning any sustained running at or around the lactate threshold, whereas you were clearly using the term in a stricter sense as meaning LT runs for around 20 minutes or more. I believe that some training around lactate threshold is probably beneficial, and cruise intervals fit the bill nicely.
My tempo-run substitute of racing is undoubtedly rather more stressful to the body than is ideal from a training point of view, but as it's what I train for, to do otherwise would be to put the cart before the horse.
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May 2016
10:51am, 13 May 2016
32,211 posts
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Hills of Death (HOD)
Sounds like most of my runs J2R anyway Glenn keeps an eye on it for me ;-).
I see loads of people fall foul of this I tell RMO3b this constantly she would improve if she didn't do her 'easy' runs at 160 bpm
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May 2016
12:21pm, 13 May 2016
19,154 posts
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GlennR
...and will they listen? No they won't.
All the years I've wasted on the HR thread...
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May 2016
12:54pm, 13 May 2016
8,670 posts
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FenlandRunner
There is a trap though, HoD, you need volume for churning out all the slow stuff.
If you're running 'low' mileage (and that is subjective) I do see value in getting the mileage completed at high(er) intenisty.
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May 2016
1:04pm, 13 May 2016
19,160 posts
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GlennR
If you're running low mileage - and I am - then you *can* put in some high intensity stuff, but take rest days afterwards.
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May 2016
1:06pm, 13 May 2016
8,672 posts
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FenlandRunner
*like*
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May 2016
1:29pm, 13 May 2016
32,217 posts
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Hills of Death (HOD)
You will need to define volume
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May 2016
1:54pm, 13 May 2016
8,675 posts
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FenlandRunner
Volume is subjective and relative to the individual.
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