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Jul 2022
5:52pm, 3 Jul 2022
18,541 posts
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3M (aka MarkyMarkMark)
Funny, , the Bible is where I get most of the impetus to look after the planet and be considerate of my descendants!
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Jul 2022
5:59pm, 3 Jul 2022
292 posts
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AJLB
Ditto 3M!
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Jul 2022
10:05pm, 3 Jul 2022
5,059 posts
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run free
Agree - starting from Genesis. All throughout the old testament (and new testament) God gave humans instructions to be stewards of the earth. They are to oversee it; to manage it; to care for it; to appreciate it; to protect it; to help it to flourish.
Ask your Republican friends.
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Jul 2022
6:06pm, 4 Jul 2022
17,438 posts
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rf_fozzy
A while back we were having a discussion about meat eating.
Here's a statistic that might try to explain why it is necessary that we all eat less meat and that "eating local" won't solve the issue.
OK, this is based on the US, but the point stands: if the whole world adopts the US meat-heavy diet (based on the ave US citizen), then the world would require the whole planet's liveable habitat to support the cattle (grazing land and land for feed), plus on top an extra Africa and Australia.
For those who like percentages, it's 138% of the world's liveable land.
That's not sustainable in any scenario. We need to eat less meat.
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Jul 2022
6:36pm, 4 Jul 2022
25,568 posts
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Dvorak
That, in itself, would not explain why "we all" need to eat less meat: just how everybody in the entire world should not eat as much meat as the average American. What stats do you get if you use another benchmark: UK, for example; or Greece, or Japan? Maybe you have a source we could use to check? 
PS: I write as someone who could not eat less meat.
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Jul 2022
6:40pm, 4 Jul 2022
17,442 posts
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rf_fozzy
Well, ok, the average UK person eats 2/3 the amount of the average US person (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_meat_consumption)
So, if everyone eats as much meat as in the average UK diet, we'd only need to use 91% of the earth's habitable area for meat production.
So that's obviously definitely sustainable....
As long as we don't want to use that land for doing other things....
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Jul 2022
6:46pm, 4 Jul 2022
17,443 posts
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rf_fozzy
Even China's average consumption of meat ~1/2 that of the US is unsustainable - requiring 70% of habitable land.
I don't know what fraction of habitable land would be sustainable, but I'd put good money on it being a lot lot lower.
If we guess at ~10% of global land use for meat production, then we are looking at the consumption levels as currently practised in Algeria or Sudan.
And again, going back to previous arguments, this is why the lab-grown meat is probably a necessary thing. The average "western" person is not going to change their diet down to less than 10% of current habits. Not quickly enough anyway.
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Jul 2022
7:00pm, 4 Jul 2022
5,290 posts
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Fields
When I had to last write essays I was told wikipedia wasn't a source
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Jul 2022
7:12pm, 4 Jul 2022
90,815 posts
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Hanneke
We should use Japan, where they eat a lot less meat...
I too cannot eat less meat as I don't eat meat 😎🤪
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Jul 2022
7:17pm, 4 Jul 2022
90,816 posts
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Hanneke
Broad, sweeping statement but I expect we all agree that we all simply need to consume less. May that be meat, processed food, cars, phones, household items, moving house, cheap, mass produced "stuff", clothes... We really really do not need it and if we all took just one step back, a dramatic change for the better would be made. And I very much doubt the global economy would collapse... It may return to a moderately more local level, especially for food, which is a good thing...
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