Nov 2024
7:47pm, 6 Nov 2024
446 posts
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deslauriers
Trump made large gains among Latino men, but the key number is 15 million: the drop in votes for the Democrats. Trump lost 3 million. The least uninspiring, in America's eyes, won. |
Nov 2024
7:52pm, 6 Nov 2024
1,494 posts
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Fenners-Reborn
Bazoaxe wrote: I heard a bit of trumps victory speech earlier. If I put aside what I know of trump and judge on what I heard, then it’s easy to conclude he will be a good president. The problem for me though is that I cannot put aside what I already know of trump. However more than half of American voters either can put it aside, or don’t believe it to be true. You've nailed it, Baz. |
Nov 2024
7:59pm, 6 Nov 2024
22,373 posts
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Chrisull
Rob Ford pointing out in nearly every single election in the world since 2022, the incumbent has either lost or gone on to lose power in the subsequent fallout (backing up my earlier point - Starmer and Trump have crested onto power on the same wave): x.com Interpretation of US elections that says the rise of China has caused a lot of the issues and "strange alliances" we saw in 2024. Don't totally agree, but decent points in there. x.com |
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Nov 2024
8:01pm, 6 Nov 2024
22,374 posts
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Chrisull
@deslauriers - yeah my closing words last night, democrats will win if they turn up on the day (and in early voting, particularly parts of Pennsylvania, they hadn't). It's 1980 Carter vs Reagan all over again. They stayed at home and sat it out. |
Nov 2024
9:22pm, 6 Nov 2024
46,650 posts
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SPR
@deslauriers where's the info from? Anyway, while the Latino population may have caused a shift. It's interesting to note that the Democrats rely on winning the ethnic minority vote by so much. A Google search says that the last time the Democrats won a majority of white voters was 1964! Even this time, the hope was that women would turn away from Trump. If you look at the UK general election 2024, Labour won with all groups. Age (older), education (lower) and outright home ownership were the only things that broke for the Tories (all under results in the link) en.m.wikipedia.org It's a good reminder that most of the Tory vote loss went Remain as and that would change the voting demographic share (and the election). Did try and find 2005 splits but couldn't find them. |
Nov 2024
9:25pm, 6 Nov 2024
6,977 posts
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Mark J 🇳🇿
I can't get past the fact that he's just a vile, self-serving, person.
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Nov 2024
9:35pm, 6 Nov 2024
488 posts
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DaveG
Part of me thinks we've seen a Trump presidency before. It wasn't great, but not as dystopian as predicted. What we've learnt is he says to get into power, and what he does in power are two totally different things. But part of me also remembers that since the last presidency the supreme court has ruled that anything a president does as part of his job is automatically legal. So anything he does now can't be treated as unlawful. He can still be impeached for crimes committed as president, and potentially could be impeached on day 1 for insurgency (but won't be with Republicans controlling both houses). I still think he picked Vance as Vice-President not because he wanted a good running mate, but because he wanted an incompetent one given he's President if Trump is impeached. As far as I can see, because you can't sack a Vice President the only legal way he has of passing the presidency to one of his children would be to murder Vance, make his child vice-president and stand down (or be impeached). As far as the Supreme Court has ruled, if he did that he would be free from any prosecution. |
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Nov 2024
9:45pm, 6 Nov 2024
447 posts
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deslauriers
@SPR El Pais is where the graph is from. Seems like 2020 was an outlier. Basically, it was easier to vote (more mail voting due to the pandemic). |
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Nov 2024
9:45pm, 6 Nov 2024
6,979 posts
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Mark J 🇳🇿
DaveG wrote: Part of me thinks we've seen a Trump presidency before. It wasn't great, but not as dystopian as predicted. What we've learnt is he says to get into power, and what he does in power are two totally different things. But part of me also remembers that since the last presidency the supreme court has ruled that anything a president does as part of his job is automatically legal. So anything he does now can't be treated as unlawful. He can still be impeached for crimes committed as president, and potentially could be impeached on day 1 for insurgency (but won't be with Republicans controlling both houses). I still think he picked Vance as Vice-President not because he wanted a good running mate, but because he wanted an incompetent one given he's President if Trump is impeached. As far as I can see, because you can't sack a Vice President the only legal way he has of passing the presidency to one of his children would be to murder Vance, make his child vice-president and stand down (or be impeached). As far as the Supreme Court has ruled, if he did that he would be free from any prosecution. Next time on Soap.... |
Nov 2024
10:29pm, 6 Nov 2024
9,624 posts
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Pothunter
Listening to some of the people interviewed on BBC news I wonder if the way to win an election is to actually focus on domestic issues rather than the global stage. The person in the street for the most part doesn’t give a toss about a war going on elsewhere and doesn’t see why their money should be sent elsewhere. At a time when most of the world was very impressed by Jacinda Ardern, a friend of mine who lives in New Zealand said that domestically she was seen as ignoring local issues and not much longer after that she lost. Trump’s rhetoric about making America great again is a tremendously powerful slogan which speak to that person in the street. |
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