Jun 2024
11:07am, 25 Jun 2024
22,506 posts
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rf_fozzy
"I saw one left-wing political analyst yesterday have a go at Starmer for the way he was wearing his trousers!! " Name names? I seem to remember that some leftish commentators had an issue with the way Corbyn was criticised for how he dressed. So hypocrisy is indeed a two way street. No matter what I thought of his politics, policies, views or general demeanour, criticising them on how someone dresses is ridiculous. I think it a little ridiculous that suits and ties have to be worn in the HoC though. |
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Jun 2024
11:09am, 25 Jun 2024
22,507 posts
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rf_fozzy
"It seems that people find it easier to find a common identity when they have something to rally against, rather than something to rally for. " But then again, that's the whole way our (and indeed the US' political system) is set up - it's about adversarial politics - the HoC is set up to encourage this (and was the aim of the design). I'm not necessarily sure it's less tit for tat in PR countries though. |
Jun 2024
11:13am, 25 Jun 2024
32,576 posts
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Johnny Blaze
“The Conservative Party has withdrawn its support for two candidates who are being investigated over betting on the timing of the general election. The Conservative election campaign has been plunged into crisis as two Tory candidates, two officials, and an officer from Rishi Sunak's close protection team are being investigated by the Gambling Commission over the placing of bets on the timing of the election. The prime minister had initially insisted he had to wait until the Gambling Commission's inquiry had concluded to take any action but had faced pressure to suspend Craig Williams and Laura Saunders, the two Tory candidates. On Tuesday morning, the Conservative Party announced they were no longer being supported as Tory candidates. They will still appear on ballot papers as Conservative candidates as it is too late to change them ahead of next Thursday's vote but they will not be allowed to become Conservative MPs, if they win their seats.” Again, when you attract, indeed even expect, candidates with a smashed moral compass and a purely theoretical notion of public service, look what you get. |
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Jun 2024
11:15am, 25 Jun 2024
32,577 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I’m being a bit harsh there but I don’t care. Johnson, May, Truss, Cameron and Sunak are all exemplars to one degree or another of people with no empathy for the lives of the people they allegedly govern.
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Jun 2024
11:23am, 25 Jun 2024
21,696 posts
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Chrisull
Re: Labour candidates losing their seats to Greens or other like minded travellers. On Bristol Central, I think I already posted here. More in Common did a Focus group ( I think it was them - check Luke Tryl on Twitter, he's their director) as to why Labour are behind in *some* polls, in Bristol Central and somewhat surprisingly, it wasn't Gaza, it wasn't even green issues sadly or Labour being too right wing, it was a general "anti-politics vibe - they're all bad" (which could easily translate to a Reform vote in an NE constituency) and weird things like "the greens had the most posters in the constituency". Also the pundits pointed out, a lot of the polls/focus groups are being driven by high engagement voters and when the low engagement voters actually get to vote, they won't know who Carla Denyer or Thangam Debbonaire are and will just vote on party affiliation, and most likely Labour will win there. Farage might find it similar on his own core vote disappearing (and then again he might not, but I think they will poll closer to 15% than 20% and would stake money on it). |
Jun 2024
11:25am, 25 Jun 2024
5,414 posts
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paulcook
rf_fozzy wrote: Name names? Iain Darcy. Don't know particularly who he is, but he comes up very vocal on my Twitter. Anyway, it was a snidey comment in response to another post. Frankly, I hate it. It adds nothing. Debate Starmer's politics fine, but resort to this, and I'm going to ignore everything you say irrespective if the rest of your debate is justified. |
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Jun 2024
11:27am, 25 Jun 2024
5,415 posts
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paulcook
Johnny Blaze wrote: “The Conservative Party has withdrawn its support for two candidates who are being investigated over betting on the timing of the general election. Great, but why so long. This should have been an instantaneous decision. |
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Jun 2024
11:27am, 25 Jun 2024
21,697 posts
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Chrisull
Good news in @Johnny Blaze 's constituency. My sister has been gifted a vote as an ex-pat by the current Tory party. We spoke last night about which party was most likely (not that likely I gather, but possible) to unseat the successor to the stable bolting Zahawi (I hope he turns the heaters off first), and concluding it was absolutely the Lib Dems. So another example of Tories trying to gerrymander votes and it backfiring on them. She hasn't lived here for over a decade and hates the Tories as much as me.
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Jun 2024
11:35am, 25 Jun 2024
32,579 posts
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Johnny Blaze
The Tory candidate is a chicken run guy from oop north, and I've met the Labour candidate and I wasn't impressed by him either, tbh. What a world. I'm still thinking the Tory wins. Life ain't fair. |
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Jun 2024
11:38am, 25 Jun 2024
21,698 posts
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Chrisull
I would have had Stratford down as safe Tory until the end of time, but one of the MRP polls that has SE Cornwall staying Tory (and it is close to neck and neck here with Labour), had the Tories losing Stratford, so given that I'd say it's like 60%-40% here Tory vs Labour probability, then I'd guess Stratford must have similar likelihood?
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