Jun 2024
10:19am, 25 Jun 2024
17,340 posts
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jda
J2R, I think it's a large helping of Daily Hate washed down with a dose of kool-aid.
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Jun 2024
10:24am, 25 Jun 2024
5,850 posts
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Ally-C
Tommy Robinson or Laxley whatever he’s called arrested in Canada for immigration offences, send the bugger back 😀
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Jun 2024
10:28am, 25 Jun 2024
44,776 posts
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SPR
Isn't all the St Jeremy stuff exactly the same thing though? Hate that's ideologically driven. The party was throwing its toys out the pram the minute Corbyn became leader. The 'left' not being happy with Starmer is because he changed from what he pledged when elected, it wasn't an automatic thing. Obviously it's up to individuals to decide whether those changes are justified.
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Jun 2024
10:37am, 25 Jun 2024
5,411 posts
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paulcook
"If you don't like the changes that we've made, I say the door is open and you can leave." But that only answers the left-wing question, which wasn't J2R's point / question. What do others not like / trust about Starmer and Labour. Mind, I think it's a moot point. They'll win. For me, it's not so much about what you think of Starmer and Labour now, but in another 5 years time when they have a real record to either defend or have justification for a second term. |
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Jun 2024
10:40am, 25 Jun 2024
44,778 posts
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SPR
Think jda answered that question in general and clearly Labour agree to some extent hence them avoiding wedge issues.
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Jun 2024
10:44am, 25 Jun 2024
17,341 posts
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jda
It's basically football teams for a large chunk of voters. Why does someone hate Man U and support Man City? My mum chooses her policy position based on which political party proposed it, for a lot of things. |
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Jun 2024
10:51am, 25 Jun 2024
44,779 posts
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SPR
Reminds me how the £10 minimum wage was rubbish when Miliband proposed it but great when Osborne did.
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Jun 2024
10:58am, 25 Jun 2024
22,913 posts
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DeeGee
jdawayinamanger wrote: It's basically football teams for a large chunk of voters. Why does someone hate Man U and support Man City? My mum chooses her policy position based on which political party proposed it, for a lot of things. I like this analogy, but want to take it a step further. Due to various combinations of circumstances, I find myself supporting Hertfordshire's top ranked football team. Used to be a season ticket holder until I decided that 6 hours' driving every weekend for 90 minutes of lacklustre football was a waste of effort. However, in those years of commuting to Vicarage Road, what I noticed was not so much that supporters in the stands sung in support of 'our' team, but that most of the songs sung were instead aimed at sharing with one another just how much we hated the orange team up the road with greenhouses for a stand, who we inevitably were neither playing, nor even sharing a league with. Visceral, anti-Luton chanting with threats of guns and everything. From a football club that invented the family stand and once counted a particularly flamboyant musician amongst the regulars. The only songs that came close in number to the anti-Bedfordshire ones are the ones they would sing in the North of England extoling the virtues of a rat-free diet and accusing all northern men of being wife-beaters. It seems that people find it easier to find a common identity when they have something to rally against, rather than something to rally for. Which I think is a big part of why we've ended up leaving the EU, and is also a big part of the current campaigning tactic of almost all the big-hitters in this GE. |
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Jun 2024
10:59am, 25 Jun 2024
5,412 posts
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paulcook
jdawayinamanger wrote: My mum chooses her policy position based on which political party proposed it, for a lot of things. I saw one left-wing political analyst yesterday have a go at Starmer for the way he was wearing his trousers!! Mind, he's very vocal in opposition to Starmer anyway but some of it is pathetic. |
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Jun 2024
11:04am, 25 Jun 2024
5,413 posts
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paulcook
That seems a good analogy DeeGee, though wonder if it's common to some of the most vocal people rather than the majority of voters. Also works with GTTO.
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