25 May
2:26pm, 25 May 2024
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J2R
JB, I suspect a lot of Reform voters would also go for "getting Brexit done properly", although would be unable to say what this entails, or indeed explain in what ways it has hitherto not been done properly.
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25 May
3:49pm, 25 May 2024
32,351 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I used to be anti lowering the voting age but now I am very much in favour.
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25 May
3:58pm, 25 May 2024
5,262 posts
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J2R
What has changed your views, JB?
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25 May
5:09pm, 25 May 2024
32,352 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I guess the referendum - where crusty old voters who don't have long to go royally screwed over voteless young people who will spend a much larger part of their lives dealing with the negative consequences of a decision made by old people who won't have to deal with it themselves.
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25 May
5:18pm, 25 May 2024
32,353 posts
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Johnny Blaze
73% of 18-24 year olds voted Remain. Which proves they instinctively understood better where their future lay than old farts who believed all the little England guff spouted by Johnson and Gove.
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25 May
5:42pm, 25 May 2024
44,388 posts
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SPR
Dave W wrote: I’m sorry if I offended anyone but I couldn’t put every single colour that wasn’t white down in my post. Is “people of colour” any better? If not, please advise. I think you could have found a better word with a bit of thought given the word you used is listed in the dictionary as offensive and dated. The style guide for the government seems reasonable on ethnicity: ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk People of colour is something used more in the States but may be appropriate where referring to a specific group isn't possible. |
25 May
5:50pm, 25 May 2024
19,313 posts
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Dave W
Okay. Thanks. But in my defence I am also a bit offensive and dated. But you’re never too old to learn. |
25 May
5:51pm, 25 May 2024
21,544 posts
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Chrisull
I applaud Starmer for lowering the voting age. Really important one for me. Watching my boys not being able to vote against Brexit and then not able to vote against Boris (well one could), and see people who are now long since dead blethering on about the future of the country, a future they would never get to see, denying to my boys a future where they now have to live in a fractured Europe without freedom of movement, something I had in my twenties. I would have voted for Kinnock at 17 in 1987 against Thatcher, was so cross I could not. I look back on that time and say, yep I would still have voted for Kinnock then. So why couldn't I? I was politically mature, I probably swung further to left AFTER then, before inching back. There are people who don't even know who their mp is, or who Keir Starmer. I suspect 16-18 year olds who aren't that engaged simply won't vote. They can have sex, they can work at a job, pay taxes, get married, so why the hell shouldn't they vote. As for us old fogies, our brains start deteriorating roughly from the age of 40 onwards, but your brain starts shrinking at the age of 60 onwards (although one fifth of 70+ year olds score the same on cognition tests as 20 year olds) medicalnewstoday.com I played chess way better as a 14 year old than I ever have over 30 years old. I've yet to hear a sensible argument against preventing 16 year olds from voting that couldn't be better applied against 65+ year olds. And I say that as someone who believes both groups should be voting. |
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25 May
6:03pm, 25 May 2024
32,354 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Well put.
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25 May
6:12pm, 25 May 2024
22,227 posts
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rf_fozzy
Ive seen a couple of thoughtful pieces that have been put out there today. Instead of asking why 16-18s should or shouldn't vote and defending or criticising it, we should should be asking what is voting for and then seeing if that age group meets the criteria.
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