May 2024
2:20pm, 16 May 2024
22,112 posts
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rf_fozzy
They (including Braverman in this for the moment) are not that stupid to not be able to realise it. Their policies are designed to drive the small boat crossings because it helps them politically - by getting the frothing at the mouths loons who shout "net-zero immigration" left right and centre. It's their issue which allows them to drive their other Brexit agenda on wanting to leave the ECHR (this was mentioned at the time of Brexit I recall. Many ignored the threat and voted for it anyway, because neoliberal something something...) If they had a safe processing centre in Calais, it would almost stop the boats crossings overnight. That would then leave them with awkward questions about "skilled" migration routes and visas because as we know these have *increased* since Brexit, because the economy relies on it (all growth is immigration derived - GDP per capita is flat and has been for a long time). That would then leave them in a political hole, so they have somewhat manufactured the small boats crossings and the crisis in the immigration system to show that "they're doing something" and give them wedge issue. They've got nothing else. Everything in govt is in disarray. Since Brexit and 2015 gave the arsonists the keys to the government, they've all subsequently shown they're not fit to govern. (and before JDA comes in and says but Starmer not going to reverse Brexit - no he's not, but his government can come in and do some of the basic things like govern competently - which this lot patently can't. Might be a low bar, but that's where we are). |
May 2024
2:28pm, 16 May 2024
24,165 posts
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larkim
I enjoy cynicism at the best of times, but even I can't go along with the govt policy being designed to encourage small boat crossings. I can't give you a reason why they haven't come up with a credible, humane policy which prevents them though!
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May 2024
2:38pm, 16 May 2024
44,258 posts
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SPR
Well the question is why don't the Tories want safe routes and why is Labour silent (at best currently) on it when it was policy previously (the answer is they likely see it as a wedge issue). Chris posted the video where Starmer said it's not the answer (which is wrong as it's at least part of the answer) but I hope it's not been scrapped as policy.
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May 2024
2:41pm, 16 May 2024
44,259 posts
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SPR
It sounds very much like Labour are rowing back on the safe and legal routes policy. twitter.com |
May 2024
2:41pm, 16 May 2024
19,053 posts
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Dave W
Both the Tories and the SNP attacking Starmer about his pledges. Saying that he never delivers any pledges he pledges. Made me laugh a bit as both of those parties are really renowned for doing the things they say they are going to do. Not. |
May 2024
2:43pm, 16 May 2024
27,837 posts
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TROSaracen
On the positive at least he hasn't put them on an Ed Stone 
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May 2024
3:08pm, 16 May 2024
27,473 posts
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richmac
Dave W wrote: I cannot for the life of me understand why the current government aren't already doing that part of the immigration bit. They should have already set up a counter criminal gangs task force to use all available means to id and target them. If they haven't, then they really are effing stupid. Maybe they have already, but they can't share intel with the French as Brexit's got in the way. Now that would be quite ironic. They wouldn't want to bandy that about, would they? I agree the BBC have done a better job of tracking down the gangs in recent weeks. This gov fail miserably to tackle the cause because it might mean cooperating with the EU |
May 2024
3:39pm, 16 May 2024
32,448 posts
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macca 53
larkim wrote: I enjoy cynicism at the best of times, but even I can't go along with the govt policy being designed to encourage small boat crossings. I can't give you a reason why they haven't come up with a credible, humane policy which prevents them though! Maybe because it costs loads of money and skilled officers to process, track and trace (all) immigrants - and we know how shit they are at that! Perhaps they should bring back Dildo for a second bite of the cherry? |
May 2024
4:00pm, 16 May 2024
21,484 posts
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Chrisull
So has Teresa May defected yet
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May 2024
4:03pm, 16 May 2024
32,241 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Conservatives are always prone to tackling symptoms - preferably in as harsh a fashion as possible as it feeds into their bigotry - rather than the underlying problem.
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