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Johnny Blaze
Johnny Blaze
Mar 2023
11:54am, 3 Mar 2023
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Johnny Blaze
Corbynistas are forever doomed to sit on Aunt Em’s porch twining about what lies over the rainbow while other folk are getting their hands dirty getting shit done. Sad!
richmac
richmac
Mar 2023
12:31pm, 3 Mar 2023
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richmac
Starmer looks 'establishment' insomuch as he ran a gov organisation, people need to look beyond that and see he got there without attending the 'right' school or daddy having a ton of influence.

Then glance at the like of JRM who is so establishment he inherited a stately home and Johnson the 2nd gen MP.

30P Lee, what can you say? class traitor, perhaps?
Bazoaxe
Bazoaxe
Mar 2023
12:37pm, 3 Mar 2023
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Bazoaxe
I see Joh Swinney stepped down as Deputy First Minister yesterday. This puzzled me as Keith Brown when he decided not to stand for leader said he was remaining as deputy. It turns out there is a deputy party leader and and a deputy first minister
larkim
larkim
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12:51pm, 3 Mar 2023
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larkim
Born in Westminster and privately educated at Westminster School, then studied at New College, Oxford, where he read Philosophy, politics and economics and was President of the Oxford Union. Inherited father's peerage and was a committed Christian for much of his life.

Tony Benn was establishment with bells on compared to Starmer.

Maybe Benn and 30p Lee are exceptions that prove the rule, but if we want to avoid reductionist simplism (we do, don't we?) we need to avoid overly simplistic epithets.
jda
jda
Mar 2023
12:55pm, 3 Mar 2023
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jda
“Establishment” is just a meaningless jibe to denigrate opponents, along the lines of “woke”.
Johnny Blaze
Johnny Blaze
Mar 2023
12:59pm, 3 Mar 2023
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Johnny Blaze
Oops. Clock is ticking now for the trolley.

bbc.co.uk
richmac
richmac
Mar 2023
1:09pm, 3 Mar 2023
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richmac
“Establishment” is just a meaningless jibe to denigrate opponents, along the lines of “woke”.


I disagree, I think it's been hijacked by Johnsons lot, but to me it's been in use forever to refer to those we would probably say 'come from privilege' nowadays. ie old school tie. right club, daddy getting you into a plum job, owning all the land and basically being charge without ever being voted for or earning it.
larkim
larkim
Mar 2023
1:20pm, 3 Mar 2023
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larkim
How recent a term it was surprised me. From en.wikipedia.org

The term in its modern sense was popularized by the British journalist Henry Fairlie, who in September 1955 in the London magazine The Spectator defined the network of prominent, well-connected people as "the Establishment". He wrote:
<q>By the 'Establishment' I do not mean only the centres of official power—though they are certainly part of it—but rather the whole matrix of official and social relations within which power is exercised. The exercise of power in Britain (more specifically, in England) cannot be understood unless it is recognised that it is exercised socially.

Following that, the term the Establishment was quickly picked up in newspapers and magazines all over London, making Fairlie famous.[4] The Oxford English Dictionary cites Fairlie's column as its origin. </q>
jda
jda
Mar 2023
1:27pm, 3 Mar 2023
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jda
Oh I agree that in principle it has a meaning, so does woke, but when certain people use it nowadays it’s just a meaningless pejorative with little connection to its origins.
richmac
richmac
Mar 2023
1:37pm, 3 Mar 2023
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richmac
Fairdo's just so you know when I use it I'm meaning the '55 meaning (thanks Larks) not being down with the kids and all that.

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