Nov 2020
10:40pm, 17 Nov 2020
16,922 posts
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Chrisull
The polls were good enough I made money on them, filling in the gap of the Trumpster's expectations of what they thought the result would be, and what the polls actually were. For instance Georgia and Pennsylvania... If I had more money and was prepared to risk it, I could have made a fortune. And you can still make 5% on (better than a bank account) by betting on Joe Biden to win the election on Betfair currently. And it will come from a matched bet (ie almost certainly a Trump supporter). For those that think Trump might win, you need to follow what's happening in Pennsylvania where Giuliani is making a laughing stock of himself: twitter.com and close to resorting to the "Chewbacca defense" invented by South Park. en.wikipedia.org |
Nov 2020
11:52pm, 17 Nov 2020
24,103 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I think it is a similar situation to the UK. Unprincipled shitbag gets to be the leader. People of competence, principle, honesty and good character avoid him like the plague, leaving him with only a small pool of the corrupt, the dishonest and the unscrupulously ambitious to choose from - unfortunately those people tend not to be "best in class". Not by a long shot.
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Nov 2020
7:09am, 18 Nov 2020
12,698 posts
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larkim
This stuff doesn't help quell the pro Trump-ers Buried in this article about trump firing a critic bbc.co.uk "Almost 2,800 previously untallied ballots were discovered on Tuesday in Fayette County, a day after 2,600 uncounted votes turned up in Floyd County. Gabriel Sterling, Georgia's voting system manager, blamed human error." |
Nov 2020
7:12am, 18 Nov 2020
2,072 posts
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Cheg
How does that happen? Dave can you just put that ballot box in the cupboard over there? We'll get to it later. O here's that ballot box I told Dave to squirrel away. |
Nov 2020
7:59am, 18 Nov 2020
2,040 posts
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JRitchie
I read that too and cringed. On the one hand we can’t expect that a country managing a vote of 150m of people will have no discrepancies whatsoever. Part of the rationale for a recount is acknowledgement that some human error can occur. It’s a control mechanism and part of showing it works is picking up some differences. However Trump and his entourage will magnify this beyond any reasonable sense.
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Nov 2020
8:41am, 18 Nov 2020
12,699 posts
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larkim
I was as much depressed by the fact that the commentary about it was buried in a broadly anti-Trump article. Whilst it may not affect the overall outcome in Georgia, if the UK media had been on Trump's "side" in terms of the argument about fraud or irregularities etc, those 5,000+ uncounted ballots would have been headline news, wouldn't they? Maybe it's had more prominence elsewhere, but I think the UK media is of one mind about Trump and voting irregularities, so the discovery doesn't fit the narrative well. |
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Nov 2020
9:44am, 18 Nov 2020
16,923 posts
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Chrisull
Of course the real nub of the argument that Republicans are ignoring (in the main),is that in Georgia if they hadn't persuaded their own voters that mail ballots were crooked in advance, they might have won there. Not sure where Raffensperger gets the 24,000 figure from, but the point is completely valid, Trump depressed his own turn out, and lost at least one swing state as a result: wsbtv.com |
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Nov 2020
9:47am, 18 Nov 2020
16,924 posts
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Chrisull
(and yes the 24,000 figure comes from the difference between primary voters and actual election ones, BUT that is a false assumption - I believe in most primaries, that voters from either party can vote, so Democrats could vote for Trump on the ground a) they believe him to be the best Republican or b) they believe him to be a choice that would screw everything up... and then vote for Biden. Hence the 24,000 is a sweeping figure, but you'd imagine the vast majority were Republicans dissuaded from voting.
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Nov 2020
9:54am, 18 Nov 2020
12,700 posts
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larkim
Yep, I'd thought from early on that the message "don't use this convenient means of voting for me and wait until polling day when you might forget or get waylaid and not nd up voting" seemed like a poor tactic. Any vote is a vote!!
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Nov 2020
10:40am, 18 Nov 2020
2,824 posts
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Fellrunning
The point surely is that if you were going to rig a vote you'd make it decisive beyond reasonable argument without the numbers being ridiculous.
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