Polarized training

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Mar 2018
5:43pm, 24 Mar 2018
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Chrisull
So - repeating what I put in the sub 3.15 thread - woke up at 4.45am with muscular discomfort on side, rolled onto other side, went back to sleep, woke up at 7ish later this morning discomfort gone. Went for easy 4 mile run (not on painkillers) to test (on the grounds that if I can't do 4 miles easy today, I can't do 20 miles hard tomorrow). Took speed up in increments 8.30/8.10/7.45/7.10. No reaction. Abdomen twinged mildly 3 or 4 times between miles 1 and 3. No reaction afterwards. So what was it? Trapped nerve? Muscles were tight and pulling on something? (I get pain across the top of my foot from my tight hamstring sometimes). It wasn't just in the head, I could recreate twinge by doing a half sit up each time. Anyway will be racing tomorrow it seems!
J2R
Mar 2018
5:48pm, 24 Mar 2018
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J2R
As long as you avoid doing sit-ups during the race tomorrow, it sounds like you should be fine, Chrisull :) ! Best of luck with it. I have a rather sore quad, and a sore calf muscle (same leg) from a severe cramp in the night a couple of nights ago, so it's touch and go whether I'll make it round tomorrow.
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6:24pm, 24 Mar 2018
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Canute
Chrisull, J2R, Best of luck to both of you tomorrow
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6:45pm, 24 Mar 2018
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GlennR
What Canute said.
Mar 2018
7:47pm, 24 Mar 2018
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Ninky Nonk
Good luck.
SPR
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7:50pm, 24 Mar 2018
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SPR
Race well both.
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7:53pm, 24 Mar 2018
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GlennR
And don’t forget that the clocks go forward tonight. ;)
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7:53pm, 24 Mar 2018
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Chrisull
Bad luck J2R, we are a pair! Good luck for tomorrow.

I think for me the key is not going round any corners to sharply, twisting is what aggravates, luckily it's an old railway line so it's reasonably straight, although it's two laps, so there's three sharp turns as we turn back on ourselves. I am aware it will be an issue at some point (I am aware of it now after a day with short run and shopping), but it's about mental self talk. I might choose to shed some early seconds so I can build up slowly.
Mar 2018
4:15pm, 25 Mar 2018
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Chrisull
Canute - thanks for your advice on the sub 3.15 thread and it will definitely factor in to my thinking, I'm not one to go around thinking I have all the answers (I don't). I was already thinking of progressive runs definitely as part of future training, so will be writing them into a schedule. Hopping is good and I have been doing a bit of that, but I need to do it more consistently. Polarised is still definitely the right approach too, and really a one minute a mile slow down on the last 5 miles isn't a disaster (annoyingly HR right down to 151, so it shows how easy it felt aerobically. Positives, I got round, the time was no disgrace (2.32), the first 10 was perfectly executed, I'm not injured now.
J2R
Mar 2018
5:15pm, 25 Mar 2018
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J2R
Well done, Chrisull, glad you survived intact (not a given with a race of that length). I was pretty happy with my own effort today, 2:11, mercifully not derailed by leg problems. I set off at a pace which would have given me 2:08:30, on the basis that I really didn't know what I was capable of at that distance, not having raced further than HM for 5 years. This was OK up to about 12 miles, then I slowed down a little. At mile 14, though, my Garmin froze (got stuck on 14:00), so thereafter I had no real idea what pace I was doing or what time I was on for. Tiredness really started to bite about mile 17, and I lost a fair bit in those last 3 miles, but I'm still very happy with the time, which is a massive PB. And very happy that my legs, while sore, are uninjured.

Lessons I've learned from today...Firstly, I need to do more long runs, 17-18 miles or so, as I've done practically none. 20 miles is rather different territory from HM, and it finds you out. Secondly, it's probably a good idea to taper a bit! I ran this on the back of a reasonably normal training week, because it wasn't a key race and I didn't have a real target time.

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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