Mar 2018
12:04pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Canute
Chrisull I have only just noted your post. I do not know what people on the sub-3:15 thread posted, but I would advise caution. If in doubt, do not run today, but engage in a bit of mental preparation. Maybe re-run your recent good training sessions in your mind. They tell you what you are capable of. Before a 20 mile race or longer, training at this stage is largely about mental preparation. For shorter races, the final days should also include sharpening up neuromuscular coordination, but that is less important than mental preparation for a 20 miler.
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Mar 2018
12:07pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Cerrertonia
I guess it should be borne in mind that his training is done at altitude, on dirt roads in Kenya, and notes suggest somewhat muddy too. So I would say that those 40km tempo runs he does are not that much slower than race marathon pace, given the conditions. He runs 110-120 mile weeks and no real sign of a taper until the last week. No 2 weeks of this, 1 week of that. There's nothing particularly unexpected in there, I would say.
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Mar 2018
12:42pm, 23 Mar 2018
12,447 posts
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Chrisull
canute - thanks, yes no running today, a bit of gentle loosening with the spiky massage balls instead. I'll consider tomorrow if go for a very gentle run, but any doubts I'll just wait til Sunday, preparation has been excellent, there had to be a hiccup somewhere.
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Mar 2018
12:52pm, 23 Mar 2018
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J2R
Chrisull, is the pain in your lower abdomen? I sometimes get that from running, on the left side.
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Mar 2018
12:59pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Canute
Cerrertonia, Mutai explicitly says that 8mm was an easy pace. As I have remarked earlier I think the definition of easy and moderately easy is largely determined by how you feel afterwards and on the next day, rather than by measures such as % HR max. I suspect that Mutai was aware of the cumulative effect of the ‘easy running’
One widely accepted understanding of Lydiard’s ‘¼ effort’ was the effort that would allow you to go straight out and repeat the run immediately afterwards, while ½ effort was something you could comfortably repeat the next day. Although those criteria should be taken with a pinch of salt, I nonetheless found them useful.
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Mar 2018
1:28pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Chrisull
J2R - yes it is. It twinges if I compress (ie lean forward). As I've had hip/hamstring issues previously a few months back on that side, I wonder if it's related.
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Mar 2018
1:41pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Ninky Nonk
My first thought was sports hernia. Obviously you need to see a professional and not ask random strangers on the internet. But I'm sure you know that.
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Mar 2018
2:19pm, 23 Mar 2018
1,084 posts
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J2R
Chrisull, I think it occurs for me when I ask a little too much of my hip adductors. Doesn't sound like as bad as you have it, though. In my case, I was just puzzled why I should have a pain in that area of my abdomen and it was a while before I connected it to running.
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Mar 2018
2:51pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Fenners
"He starts an 18km run at 6:00/km, i.e., 9:39 mins/mile."
Sounds like common sense to me. You wouldn't thrash a car before letting it warm-up.
Also with the human body why recruit muscles to do work before they are warmed up.
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Mar 2018
2:54pm, 23 Mar 2018
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J2R
It may be common sense, Fenners, but it's not common practice, not among club runners anyway.
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