Polarized training

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12:04pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Canute
Chrisull
I have only just noted your post. I do not know what people on the sub-3:15 thread posted, but I would advise caution. If in doubt, do not run today, but engage in a bit of mental preparation. Maybe re-run your recent good training sessions in your mind. They tell you what you are capable of. Before a 20 mile race or longer, training at this stage is largely about mental preparation. For shorter races, the final days should also include sharpening up neuromuscular coordination, but that is less important than mental preparation for a 20 miler.
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12:07pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Cerrertonia
I guess it should be borne in mind that his training is done at altitude, on dirt roads in Kenya, and notes suggest somewhat muddy too. So I would say that those 40km tempo runs he does are not that much slower than race marathon pace, given the conditions. He runs 110-120 mile weeks and no real sign of a taper until the last week. No 2 weeks of this, 1 week of that. There's nothing particularly unexpected in there, I would say.
Mar 2018
12:42pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Chrisull
canute - thanks, yes no running today, a bit of gentle loosening with the spiky massage balls instead. I'll consider tomorrow if go for a very gentle run, but any doubts I'll just wait til Sunday, preparation has been excellent, there had to be a hiccup somewhere.
J2R
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12:52pm, 23 Mar 2018
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J2R
Chrisull, is the pain in your lower abdomen? I sometimes get that from running, on the left side.
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12:59pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Canute
Cerrertonia, Mutai explicitly says that 8mm was an easy pace. As I have remarked earlier I think the definition of easy and moderately easy is largely determined by how you feel afterwards and on the next day, rather than by measures such as % HR max. I suspect that Mutai was aware of the cumulative effect of the ‘easy running’

One widely accepted understanding of Lydiard’s ‘¼ effort’ was the effort that would allow you to go straight out and repeat the run immediately afterwards, while ½ effort was something you could comfortably repeat the next day. Although those criteria should be taken with a pinch of salt, I nonetheless found them useful.
Mar 2018
1:28pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Chrisull
J2R - yes it is. It twinges if I compress (ie lean forward). As I've had hip/hamstring issues previously a few months back on that side, I wonder if it's related.
Mar 2018
1:41pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Ninky Nonk
My first thought was sports hernia. Obviously you need to see a professional and not ask random strangers on the internet. But I'm sure you know that.
J2R
Mar 2018
2:19pm, 23 Mar 2018
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J2R
Chrisull, I think it occurs for me when I ask a little too much of my hip adductors. Doesn't sound like as bad as you have it, though. In my case, I was just puzzled why I should have a pain in that area of my abdomen and it was a while before I connected it to running.
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2:51pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Fenners
"He starts an 18km run at 6:00/km, i.e., 9:39 mins/mile."

Sounds like common sense to me. You wouldn't thrash a car before letting it warm-up.

Also with the human body why recruit muscles to do work before they are warmed up.
J2R
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2:54pm, 23 Mar 2018
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J2R
It may be common sense, Fenners, but it's not common practice, not among club runners anyway.

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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