Mar 2018
2:58pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Fenners
Hear, hear! Totally agree on that!
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Mar 2018
3:01pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Fenners
Well said, Canute!
Your paragraph, "One widely accepted understanding of Lydiard’s ‘¼ effort’ was the effort that would allow you to go straight out and repeat the run immediately afterwards, while ½ effort was something you could comfortably repeat the next day. Although those criteria should be taken with a pinch of salt, I nonetheless found them useful. ", is really useful.
And again linking to the average 'club' runner, something they completely fail to comprehend. How many times do you hear that they (average 'club' runner) could barely move after the Sunday long run?
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Mar 2018
3:17pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Canute
Increasing blood supply to the muscles is one reason for warming-up. Anther which I think might be equally important is promoting healthy in remodelling of microscopic scar tissue.
Running causes microscopic tearing of fibres in muscles (especially those subjected to large eccentric loading) and other connective tissues. This damage is repaired via inflammation over a period of 24 hours or more. Part of the inflammatory response involves laying down of collagen fibres, initially in a randomly organised array. If we apply large stresses during the recovery process, there is a risk of tearing many of the newly formed fibres. If we start by moving gently, we are likely to remove predominantly the misaligned fibres, leaving the ones aligned with the natural direction of pull on the relevant tissues. If we subsequently increase the loading, the new correctly aligned fibres are less likely to be subjected to dragging by misaligned fibres. Thus we promote recovery with predominantly well aligned fibres.
I think this is one of the achievements of the recovery run, but also one of the reasons for warming-up for all sessions.
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Mar 2018
4:00pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Chrisull
Which reminds me, I shouldn't be using anti-inflammatories AT ALL should I? Isn't the thinking now that the bodies inflammation response , as you say, helps repair the damage, and if you take an anti-inflammatory, you dampen that response, so the body doesn't repair itself as quickly.
So a very easy warmup, but of reasonable duration is the best course of action before the 20 miler.
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Mar 2018
4:01pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Chrisull
body's not bodies! doh
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Mar 2018
5:14pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Fenners
Thanks for your input and wise words, Canute. You probably should write a book, if you haven't already!
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Mar 2018
5:55pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Canute
Thanks for your kind comment Fenners.
Chrisull, If the pain is substantial you should take note of NN’s advice about an expert evaluation, though do not panic about the cause on the evidence so far.
If the pain is due to slight muscle strain, you are right in concluding that anti-inflammatories might be counter productive. If it is due to anything else, pain killers are probably not wise because they might mask a problem. I hope it settles with no further concern.
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Mar 2018
6:12pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Cerrertonia
Going back to Kimetto. He's a good example of the earlier discussion about career longevity. His career at the top began with some half marathon wins in 2012, 2nd in Berlin Marathon 2012, won Tokyo & Chicago 2013, world record in 2014, 2015 finished 3rd at London. Since then nothing and he has hardly finished a race in the last couple of years.
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Mar 2018
6:50pm, 23 Mar 2018
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Chrisull
NN - yes I know, and sports hernia did enter my mind. I have been afflicted by something similar many years before when playing football (never diagnosed), it would disappear after weeks off and then come back within minutes of starting again. It never laid me out, it just left me competing at 80-90% level. Took a while to go AND complete rest didn't cure it, it was building up low grade activity that did. I didn't run in those days.
I would see my physio, he's excellent, but he's 40 miles away and won't be available til next week. It is just a niggle - but of course my fear is a niggle will get stressed somewhere down the line. Ah well it's a 2 lap track so I'm never more than 5 miles from the beginning at absolute worst. It isn't affecting my form and wasn't after 7 last night (but of course after 15 miles it might), and I can run on it, if I did a stress test on it (like hopping/heel raises for achilles tendon) I would pass. It is the last race I have planned for 50 days and no marathons planned, so hence keen to run it.
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Mar 2018
4:00pm, 24 Mar 2018
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SPR
Pretty much all my runs are progressive to some extent
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