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Sep 2020
1:16pm, 5 Sep 2020
35,070 posts
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Hills of Death (HOD)
Yes it really does work it makes me laugh you see all these EASY runs on strava 160 plus HR we have a couple of youngsters who do this and they will be higher but they are like 180 !!
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Sep 2020
2:21pm, 5 Sep 2020
465 posts
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SSLHP (Shoes smell like horse piss)
I'm with JR2 in that if I can breath to a in/4 stride and out/4 strides I know I'm aerobic. I actually asked Matt Fitzgerald what he thought the heart rate percentage was at VT1. He said on average around 77% max
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Sep 2020
3:40pm, 5 Sep 2020
35,072 posts
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Hills of Death (HOD)
VT1 ? SSLHP
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Sep 2020
9:14pm, 5 Sep 2020
2,978 posts
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J2R
VT1 = First Ventilatory Threshold
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Sep 2020
7:18am, 6 Sep 2020
175 posts
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Big_G
In his book he says it typically falls between 77 and 79% of max for well trained athletes.
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Sep 2020
2:18pm, 6 Sep 2020
16,527 posts
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Chrisull
So in other words, as soon as you breach on a easyish run, ease off! (as it's easy to breach on the hills)
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Sep 2020
6:04pm, 6 Sep 2020
31,184 posts
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SPR
80% is still a decent effort. The point with easy runs is that as part of a plan where you're doing other harder runs, they can't be too easy and you don't get more adaptation by running them faster.
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Sep 2020
10:53am, 7 Sep 2020
176 posts
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Big_G
I've picked up a niggle so not running much at the moment, but I've been doing some cycling in an attempt to keep the weight off and maintain a bit of fitness before I get back to running. Is there any any guidance on what the corresponding training HR is for cycling?
I'm not an experienced cyclist, certainly not in terms of monitoring HR, but I've done some Googling and there is some talk that the HR should be lower for cycling, but also talk that if the HR is in the correct zone it doesn't matter what the activity is (the latter makes sense to me, on the assumption that the heart doesn't really know or care what the activity is). Today I did 20-miles at 137 and yesterday 30-miles at 135, both on a flat track (approx 70% of max). It felt easy in that on Friday I did a session with much more effort and higher HR, so if I cycle at 135ish is that fine for an "easy" ride?
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Sep 2020
11:11am, 7 Sep 2020
1,724 posts
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Brunski
Is VT1 training heart rate training though? I’m pretty sure my VT1 sits at around 130-132 bpm, and this is right at the bottom of my zone 3 (70-80%) if using the karvonen zones.
Will this be the same for all runners, I doubt it.
This sits near the MAF rate for me...it’s all very confusing if all the goal would be is to keep the easy easy.
I’ve moved from doing a lot of my easy very easy (I used to keep around 5 days running at 118bpm or 70% of max). Now I like to be able to use zones 1 and 2 of the karvonen formula (upto my karvonen 70% of 129 bpm). This is getting me very fit, my beats per mile is improving whilst mileage is increasing.
I’ve started moving toward a more specific phase with the London virtual marathon in mind but am lacking a bit on long runs so will be an interesting experiment as to how that affects the marathon.
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Sep 2020
11:29am, 7 Sep 2020
31,195 posts
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SPR
For many max HR is lower for cycling (believe this is due to only partial weight bearing) hence the zones would be different.
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