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Hadd's Approach To Distance Running

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Nov 2017
11:05am, 25 Nov 2017
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Fenners
Sorry Baz, but I'm fairly confident that the high reading was false. I doubt it is possible to hit a max HR that quickly in a race.
Nov 2017
11:36am, 25 Nov 2017
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Bazoaxe
That's what I thought buy odd to see it when it happened. Normally errors are right at the off. This was a sudden spike I haven't seen before.
Nov 2017
9:14pm, 26 Nov 2017
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teapothouse
Weekly stats (week 2 on here but week 6 of the training programme)

Mon Rest
Tue 11k track session with 6x 800 (this was quite hard and I went a bit high)
Wed 6k easy @ 125
Thursday 13k including 1hr sub-lt at 150 (153 ave so crept up a bit)
Friday 9.5 easy @ 125
Saturday 11k including 5k Parkrun quite hard up to 160 (naughty-naughty)
Sunday 21.5k easy @ 130
Total over 72k

So taken down the bpm of easy (recovery) runs to 125bpm
A good 1 hr sub-lt pace slower than wanted (4:40/k) but good work
Not much of a down week! Tomorrow a rest will be good but then 80k +. Maybe lastbweek of sub-lt at 150 depending on a decent 75 min run at some point.
Nov 2017
6:30pm, 28 Nov 2017
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Dillthedog57
Last week I did 47 miles, which is pretty much 50, so I did my first sub lt run tonight, on the treadmill. Fair to say I am at the slow end of the scale, 82% max hr 139bpm, first mile was a bit of a warm up. My splits were 8:45 8:10 8:15 8:25 8:34 8:38 8:34. My pace is definitely dropping away, that seems to be more pronounced on a treadmill. But Hadd says that you should repeat this run until you don't fade in pace?

My question then, I would expect the peak in pace to increase over time as fitness improves, if it does, you are still likely to fade over the hour? Or do you pin your peak pace where it is now, for me 8:10, until you can keep that pace without fading at all. If peak pace increases to say 7:50, then it would be hard to keep that up?
Nov 2017
7:27pm, 28 Nov 2017
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puzzler
I find that the endurance - lack of drift - comes quicker than the pace improvement but it doesn’t always work like that. Just have to wait and see
Nov 2017
10:54pm, 28 Nov 2017
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teapothouse
Good effort DTG - 47 MLS is a fine week and you will be fatigued but hopefully not too much as long asvyou have not gone too fast! I reckon you are going to get some drift even when you are very fit but a lot less. Keep to the bpm and you will get a bit faster too and you will be able to hold that pace or there abouts
Nov 2017
11:00pm, 28 Nov 2017
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teapothouse
That's the point though 7:50 is too hard now, but if you become more efficient then you could be able to do 7:50 @ 140bpm and by definition 140bpm is 140bpm which you can sustain aerobically.
Dec 2017
12:59pm, 4 Dec 2017
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teapothouse
Weekly stats (week 3 (7)

Monday REST
Tuesday 15.3K inc (1200 + 200) * 4 track session went too hard
Wed 6.6K easy
Thurs 10K easy
Fri 10K easy
Sat / Sun Rest

c 40K (more like a down week than last week)
Sore knee after track which merited more rest over the w/e :-(

Tester today to see if knee is recovered to resume easy runs. Note apart from the track session which was too good a workout maybe! (speed sessions probably exacerbated/caused the knee issues).
Dec 2017
1:15pm, 4 Dec 2017
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Brunski
Right, last race of the year completed yesterday re-affirmed my belief I need to spend some time on Hadd training. I finished the Percy Pud in 37:36 (over a minute slower than a year ago), and I just didn't have the heart to keep the effort (HR) up in the final 2 and a bit miles.

So today I start more on the low HR stuff, with the plan of introducing the sub LT runs either this weekend, or next week.
Dec 2017
2:27pm, 4 Dec 2017
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teapothouse
oops pressed submit too soon

.... there was no Sub-LT this last week

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