FishEveryone: the Fetchland swimming wire
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Nov 2024
1:33pm, 27 Nov 2024
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Alice the Camel
Thanks @Nellers , that makes perfect sense!
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Nov 2024
6:40pm, 27 Nov 2024
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Daz Love
I also didnt know that Nellers and ours change when new owners took over the local council pool. People didnt get it (me included) but I do now! We are having a new leisure centre built and currently we have a 6 lane 33m pool (split so its 25m and c7m with c1m splitting) the new centre will have one 25m pool but it will be 10 lanes. Think thats a positive for when I will be in as very few people ever use the small section. |
Nov 2024
10:43pm, 27 Nov 2024
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Sushi
That pool will be almost square! wider pools with more lanes sounds a great idea. I had a lane to myself at this evenings coached session. |
Nov 2024
9:00am, 28 Nov 2024
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Nellers
A question for the technical coaching minded amongst the group: I was watching a thingy recommending fist drill, which I tried today in an empty lane. The guy I watched who was recommending it said that if it doesn't feel hard that's probably a bad thing because you should be feeling the extra work you're needing to do to get the forearm into a better paddling position and it will show in your shoulders and upper arms. So I did 8 x 25m fist out, 25m easy crawl back. I could feel that I was getting less purchase on the water while fisting (fnaar fnaar I know I'm a 13 year old boy at heart. I'm sorry.) but I could also felt that my forearm was pulling. I was definitely making progress through the water and was able to rotate and breath pretty normally. It didn't feel "hard" and I didn't feel it in my shoulders or anything. It just felt slower. I could certainly feel a huge difference when I opened my hand out for the return length and if nothing else it made me "feel" the water more intensely. What was I doing wrong? |
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Nov 2024
4:35pm, 28 Nov 2024
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Sushi
*dusts off coachy hat* Nothing! Sounds like you were getting it spot on. If you could feel a 'catch' (purchase) with your forearm then your position was good. The point of fist drills is to improve forearm position and catch. If you have a really poor position normally then you may find it harder than if your arm position is generally good. It's hard without seeing you swim but I'd say it sounds like you have a decent technique anyway and this will fine tune it rather than make a huge difference. In which case I wouldn't expect it to be really hard for you. If you were moving and still able to breathe then that's good. Good that you could feel the catch with your forearm and great that you were more aware of your hand catch/feel in the returns. I like this drill for all the points. It makes you bend elbows and get forearm in a good position. It always surprises me just how much you can shift with that bit of arm. That feels really waffly. Hope it makes sense. |
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Nov 2024
4:37pm, 28 Nov 2024
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Sushi
@Nellers do you do scull drills at all? Scull 2 is good for forearm position too. |
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Nov 2024
4:45pm, 28 Nov 2024
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Nellers
It absolutely makes sense @Sushi , and thank you. It's really quite hard to judge things when you're just swimming on your own in a public pool with no in-person coaching. This was from the Oxygen Addict triathlon YouTube and he was making the point that people who have swum all their lives develop a really good feel for the water and what their body is doing as it moves through it, but those of us coming to swimming later in life don't have that. This drill is supposed to help develop it. I only learned to swim frontcrawl in my forties BUT my parents met through swimming clubs and a lot of my earliest memories are of being at pools and with the swimming club. I packed it in when I was about 8 or 9, though, and thought I'd forgotten all that I'd learned back then. I think the main thing I've kept, though, is that I'm just comfortable in a pool. It's not scary being in water and having my head under. I know I'm not going to drown and I think that's given me a much easier route to getting Frontcrawl "sorted" to some degree. But I still know it's an unrefined version of Frontcrawl. The other thing that the OA guy said was that there's only 2 things that really matter: How streamlined you can be through the water, and how much power you can tranfer to the water with your stroke. Everything else, he says, is just fluff. |
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Nov 2024
4:47pm, 28 Nov 2024
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Nellers
I've never done scull drills but when I used to get in the pool with the kids when they were little one of our games was to chase them feet-first sculling. It was something my dad did with me when I was little. What's Scull 2? |
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Nov 2024
4:48pm, 28 Nov 2024
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Nellers
And to be honest this was the first time in ages I've done any drills at all.
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Nov 2024
4:59pm, 28 Nov 2024
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LindsD
That's interesting. I've swum all my life and am completely at home in the water but struggle to know what my body is doing in crawl.
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