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Aug 2022
11:36am, 17 Aug 2022
37,961 posts
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SPR
All we know is there was protest based on a TV image. The rest is inference but given they have a camera, I can't see why they wouldn't check that camera.
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Aug 2022
11:38am, 17 Aug 2022
5,300 posts
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K5 Gus
I still don't fully inderstand how this works in practice.
The foot will obviously always cross the vertical plane once it leaves the ground and moves forward.
So they must be having to determine whether or not the foot is in contact with the ground as it crosses the plane ? How are they doing that ?
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Aug 2022
11:42am, 17 Aug 2022
18,704 posts
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larkim
I'm presuming that the camera on the opposite side of the board is a high speed camera akin to the photo finish camera so that there can be frame by frame review of the moment of take off. As you say, the rule is in two parts - breaking the plane WHILST in contact with the ground. That can only be judged by a human eye reviewing the action in detail on good camera footage where the gaps are close. Clearly where the gaps are significant the computer can detect the breaking of the plane easily enough (or the absence of it - I'd assume that the "plane" is measured perhaps only from 0-10mm above the ground, so a take off that starts on the board and clears that mini-hurdle won't be triggered as a potential foul by the laser).
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Aug 2022
11:46am, 17 Aug 2022
129 posts
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hellywobs
I do wonder how whether it will affect jumpers. They can't be sure a legal jump is legal until they've got the medal in their hand, which might be 24 hours later.
The process is unfair. If the jump is ruled legal, that should be that. Someone should be reviewing the jumps as they happen to make sure the tech is correct. Not ages afterwards and after the results are supposedly known.
On a different issue, people in the Times comments are implying something is going on with Neita and DAS both complaining about cramp last night. I didn't notice any undercurrents in the interview, but had noticed Neita looked thunderous. But I just thought she'd thought she'd won and then hadn't; or was injured, or both.
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Aug 2022
11:48am, 17 Aug 2022
37,962 posts
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SPR
I saw some comments elsewhere but doesn't really make much sense to me. Sounds to me like people just looking for drama.
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Aug 2022
11:49am, 17 Aug 2022
34,451 posts
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Ocelot Spleens
They're using tech to solve something that doesn't need solving. Thereby introducing a different problem.
See offside in football.
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Aug 2022
11:49am, 17 Aug 2022
18,706 posts
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larkim
Neita and DAS are reported elsewhere as having a bit of beef between them; Neita's "and that's the truth" comment seemed a bit barbed, but I'd not thought of that being aimed at DAS though others think it might be. Whatever, I didn't think Neita came across that well at the race end - gave the impression of stropping off because she'd only got bronze. That might be unfair of me though, expecting someone to be delighted with a bronze when they realistically could have taken gold is a little unrealistic too!
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Aug 2022
11:53am, 17 Aug 2022
5,301 posts
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K5 Gus
Perhaps they need to introduce a pressure sensor strip, immediately in front of the "line" then the tech can determine if there is any touch on the ground at the same time as the vertical plane is crossed.
Otherwise, if as larks suggests, it's someone manually looking at stills, then there will be borderline cases that could be impossible to judge correctly.
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Aug 2022
11:54am, 17 Aug 2022
37,963 posts
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SPR
I hate when people think a medal should make people happy! The three medals system seems so arbitrary anyway (although based on some reading it comes from having a minor finals for those that lost in the semi final).
Neita said, that's the truth, I almost didn't race, if I hadn't, no one would have believed me. I don't get how people saw that as aimed at DAS who everyone knew had an issue coming in. We already have the WC to show what DAS is capable of doing, she's not hiding bad form, lol.
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Aug 2022
12:01pm, 17 Aug 2022
18,707 posts
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larkim
Looking at stills isn't too bad an option though - fundamentally it's how the photo finishes are done I believe as only a human can make the judgement about whether something crossing the beam is part of the torso rather than a hand, chin, necklace, etc etc.
The issue was with the speed with which it was done. The protest should have been lodged rapidly, dealt with rapidly and clear to all competitors mid-comp. I've just had a quick look through the rules and can't find anything which deals with the reversal of a valid jump post-competion like this.
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