Double calorie/carb energy drinks
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3 Sep
9:21am, 3 Sep 2024
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NordRunner
I haven't looked into it but I'm dubious because different sugars use the same digestive pathway, so that's the bottleneck. For example, mixing fructose and glucose wouldn't let you take on more, since fructose is first inverted to glucose then it follows the same pathway. IMHO I'd just decide on how many sugar calories you can realistically absorb per hour when exercising and meet that. Sorry, I can't comment on the palatability for the products you have seen.
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3 Sep
9:32am, 3 Sep 2024
4,573 posts
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jacdaw
Fructose and glucose are handled differently in the gut, and there is some evidence of a benefit to mixing them in a sports drink: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov but we may be going off topic. |
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3 Sep
9:34am, 3 Sep 2024
4,521 posts
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NordRunner
Ok turns out there are two pathways so I was a bit wrong perplexity.ai e.g, ref. 2.
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3 Sep
9:53am, 3 Sep 2024
2,394 posts
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auburnette
I've tried the Maurten 160 and 320 - the 320 is a much thicker consistency, verging on a loose gel. I don't mind the texture but I also don't mind the texture of Maurten gels which is like a partially set jelly! They all taste very neutral, just pleasantly sweet. Agree with other comments that if other gels dont sit well, increasing the carbs via a drink might also not work very well. However, you could try training your stomach using these drinks. I also really like Tailwind, it has 240 calories per sachet so it is sort of in between a classic sports drink and a double carb one like Maurten or OTE supercarbs. It doesn't taste thick or have that gloopy texture, just sweet. |
3 Sep
9:53am, 3 Sep 2024
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MudMeanderer
K5 Gus wrote: Probably a silly question, but the immediate thought that springs to mind is, that for drinks you are mixing up yourself, if you want double carbs, can you not just add 2 sachets (or 1.5 or whatever) of powder rather than 1 ? Does the taste become too strong, or texture too gloopy, or do these "double-carb" ones actually have a different mix of types of carbs ? Obviously a different story for pre-made gels, where the SiS Beta Fuel ones seem to have highest carbs per sachet. The idea is that they are different sources of carbohydrate that are absorbed differently. There are limits to how much of a single source of carbohydrate the stomach can take, but with different sources you can significantly increase how much you can take on. It's become something of a game changer in pro cycling, especially stage races, where riders may now be taking 120g+ of carbs per hour for several hours. It still needs practice to train the gut to absorb that much, but the theoretical limits of intake are much higher. It's worth having a look for an energy expenditure calculator though. If you need to match your intake to your expenditure. |
3 Sep
11:04am, 3 Sep 2024
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hellen
@auburnette I didn’t realise tailwind was that high in calories , I’ve used that before and been ok. I think that gels are probably ok but think getting it all in a drink is easier and also a more gradual intake
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3 Sep
11:47am, 3 Sep 2024
3,823 posts
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Shades
@hellen that's good that you've sorted out the immodium dosage that works for you and you don't need to worry about that now. As you're OK with the sports drinks I think you should stick with those that suit you. For additional fuel I would suggest that you focus on solid food and start trying different foods in small quantities. I was always told that in longer ultras it's less important what you actually eat as long as you take on calories in some form or another. I used to get easily fed up of sweet stuff and found savoury much more appealing. When I used to do a couple of 24 hour races I remember eating a tin of macaroni cheese which went down well. The following year I had chicken tikka masala, provided by the organisers, got me through the night . Many years ago I marshalled an ultra near the end and runners could send drinks/food to the drink station. We had the most amazing range of foods, these were experienced ultra runners. Cheese, crisps, peanuts and chocolate seemed to be the most popular. |
3 Sep
11:53am, 3 Sep 2024
1,490 posts
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Sam Jelfs
rice pudding, baby food, beer - it's all energy in one form or another at the end of the day. For the longer ultras go with what you enjoy in my book.
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3 Sep
12:36pm, 3 Sep 2024
15,041 posts
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hellen
I def can’t do dairy. Even before my recent problems they were no go. I like soya yogurts and soya custard during ultras. Yes I think I need to get back into having the solids. I was just worried to take anything on for fear of 💩issues. I feel safe with the drinks though
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4 Sep
12:40am, 4 Sep 2024
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NZD
@hellen. This may be way off the mark, but I started having that problem about a year ago. Though in my case, a lot shorter runs than you are talking about (8 to 16 km in my case). Recently I discovered I have an issue with my pancreas not providing sufficient enzymes to digest food properly, which is potentially a significant issue. Still to find out how bad but have been put on Creon as of last week. Possibly worth getting a stool test done? |
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